Gobekli Tepe

Originally posted by Drusin That centrix I believe is true and a big part of the problem.  Status quo wants to stay that way, I think a lot of experts would be reduced to waiting tables.  What really gets me is the insistence that every activity of antiquity is for some ceremonial event.  It's as though ancient man did little else except prey and offer sacrifices. I think they were worshiping the gods of commerce as much as we do today.

 

Edited by red clay - 03-Mar-2012 at 12:07

Originally posted by red clay Mt Toba erupted approx. 75,000 ybp. reducing humans to pockets of survivors totaling less than 10,000.  However, considering our civilization evolved in less than 15,000 years,  there's 60,000 years left, plenty of time for an entire civilization to have evolved and vanish.   Toba's destruction was pretty total, there's no clear evidence left behind of any advanced civ. prior to the eruption. However, they have found some evidence in the Urals, where they are finding fragments of Nano tech. as well as other unidentifiable manufactured items at a stratigraphic level of 100,000 ybp.

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/arkaim-russias-ancient-city-the-arctic-origin-of-civilisation

Mt Toba erupted approx. 75,000 ybp. reducing humans to pockets of survivors totaling less than 10,000.  However, considering our civilization evolved in less than 15,000 years,  there's 60,000 years left, plenty of time for an entire civilization to have evolved and vanish.   Toba's destruction was pretty total, there's no clear evidence left behind of any advanced civ. prior to the eruption. However, they have found some evidence in the Urals, where they are finding fragments of Nano tech. as well as other unidentifiable manufactured items at a stratigraphic level of 100,000 ybp.

I'm in agreement here about the site being a part of a larger network and community.

Yes, what you call "her appearances" I call "Mother-Goddess aspects", it's the same thing. Mother-Goddess is Nature-seen-as-one, hence monotheistic religious cult/faith, /no matter what word we are going to use/.

Yes, the only clearly identifyable deity on Gobelki Tepe is Mother Goddess. There is a bull too, and this is the combination which is found in Catal Huyuk also - Mother-Goddess and the bull.

Bulding a hill of dirt over sacred objects was done in Ancient Thrace with some of the royal tombs - the tombs were build and after this an artificial mound was piled on them, this is connected with seeing the mountians as sacred, hence putting a human-build structure and making it a hill was putting it is the "sacred space". The mountain was considered one of the symbols of the mother Goddess-Earth/Nature. In teh Thracian Orphism the sacred initiantions were done in a cave under a mountain - almos literally in the "womb of Earth/Goddess".

Hence, the deliberate burying can be seen as putting the whole temple or whatever we may call it in the "sacred space" and in this way making it "really sacred". Mountains of dirt had been made in other places, China. North America. The Egyptian pyramids are nothing but artificial mountains that contain the Pharaoh's tomb to put it in the "sacred space".

That's an interesting idea Red. So Gobekli Tepe was just a small outpost of a larger, more advanced civilisation?

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Originally posted by red clay To understand exactly what Gobekli was will require considerably more excavation than what's been done to date.  That includes a vast area surrounding it.  "Bronze Bowls"?  Bronze is an alloy, a mix of copper and tin.  It isn't found in nature.  So now your looking at a "Hunter-Gatherer society that had the knowledge of and the ability to smelt copper and tin, and the ability to work it. Somethings not right here. Can you say "Post apocalyptic"?     Could we be looking at a revaluation of the term bronze age with this site being much earlier?

 

Edited by red clay - 25-Feb-2012 at 15:45