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    Posted: 18-May-2012 at 10:55

President Lincoln.

Mr. Lincoln had a great love for the United States Constitution. i.e. The wisdom in the words, and the power of an idea on how people should govern themselves and that is, freely. And also how humanity should respect itself and treat others. It's what separates us from the cave people from millions of years ago of the select few making all the decisions for the rest of us.

If President Lincoln just let the South go and did not hold those ideas together for the next generation, then they would have fallen right back into the dark ages. Why not just send a letter to the Queen of England, apologize for the trouble they caused, and asked to be taken back?

The United States Constitution was still so very new in the 1860's - The idea of one nation treating all it's citizens the same, and that we do not divide ourselves into classes. Europeans measured their histories in centuries. The system of the Chinese has been around for thousands of years. It was no shock that the Union, the precious child of a country, was having so many problems in the 1860's. Again, there was nothing to guide them, and no example for them to follow. There was no one to turn to other then each other. The new idea of the United States of America and the U.S. Constitution had not even around for one hundred years during the American Civil War.

If the rebellion was successful, I believe history would have said about the U.S. Constitution is that Americans at the time were arrogant and had not earned any respect, which is why the American Union did not last more then one hundred years, and no one would have ever taken the idea the U.S. Constitution seriously. It would have been presented as a joke in the history books in my view.

BUT, since President Lincoln did end the rebellion and brought the country back together again and proved the system can work, we became a threat to the tyrants of the world because we inspired most of the rest of the world to live by the same standards. Nothing stopped others from allowing their countries to give the people the freedom to think for themselves. People realized that they did not have to suffer under someone else's domination. They used the U.S.A. as inspiration and our system spread all over the world and has become a better place as a result.

When the Union was born in 1776 and then fully preserved, in 1865 it was every Kings, Monarchs, and Despots worst nightmare. They started looking out their windows for the next John Adams or Ben Franklin or George Washington to rise up out of the muddy fields of the oppression of some small village and sweep them away.

If the Union was not saved, and was not able to show the world the system does work, and that we can build a nation and manage our affairs from the power of an idea that written on a piece of paper...then that idea would have died. If the Union was not saved, something of great value would have been lost with it.

History would have recorded that the idea did not work, that our piece of paper did not carry the power of a monarchy, the Constitution was not efficient as the power of an elite ruling class, and that it is acceptable for one class of human being to posses and dominate another. There is a significance to this that goes far beyond our borders, and far beyond our time.

President Lincoln understood the absolute necessity to make an abstract ideal created by our Founding Fathers real. No mean little feat by any means. The words of the the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are dead as door nails on the page unless living human beings act on them. The nation HAD to ACT to make those words manifest. That was the fight. And it was one hellova fight.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 11:05
Originally posted by tjadams


Very good idea. But, I'd rather see one when the field is settled: one vs one.
Right now no one knows who'll be the GOP final candidate. 
Politics is such an emotional issue, it can derail a thread faster than a hive of termites 
on old wood. 

Yup, very much so. Many topics are like that, but OTOH this is a vital issue, and people like me who don't want to spent hours a day into delving deep into politics need info about it. With the amount of guests that vising and read on the forum- like 80-90 souls at any given moment I check it out - such a thread would be useful and has influence too. I'm looking forward you yo make such a threadSmile, Ill be the most ardent reader there.


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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 11:01
Santorum doesn't have even a portion of Obama's charm and enthusiasm though. Ron Paul looks like Ramses the Great. People need some energetic person, with fire and charm, and Obama has those in abundance, I rate him like 10 on my charm chart. Romney is kinda boring, says one and the same, no vision. The Ginrich guy is like a goody grandfather, but who would get inspired by that. Someone like Reagan, or Clinton I was hoping for, since most people are not deep in politics, and elections are won with most people's votes.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 10:53
I really do hope that Santorum manages to pull it out.  He doesn't have a chance, but he'll be the most fun.Evil SmileClown
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 03:09
Originally posted by Don Quixote



It maybe a good idea to make a thread about the coming elections, so to help un-interested-in-politics members like me to make up a reasonable decision. Who want to volunteer to start and run a thread like that?

Very good idea. But, I'd rather see one when the field is settled: one vs one.
Right now no one knows who'll be the GOP final candidate. 
Politics is such an emotional issue, it can derail a thread faster than a hive of termites 
on old wood. 
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 01:26
Well, I don;t understand anything form politics, but Obama so much reminds me of the communist political leaders on my youth, in his particular way of speaking, appearing and appealing.Communism failed economically for a reason. Not that I'm saying that Obama is a socialist, I am not so interested in the dichotomy econimic-politics as to dig enough deep, I just express an impression. However, the other candudates for presidency are far less attractive and have charm that I'd rate ranging form -3 to 0; and too many people vote for charm. Obama is inspring, I can't deny that; it;s just...I had headr too many inspired speeches to be able to buy into them. I have no idea for whom I'm going to vote, in the last elections I wasn't a citizen yet, so I couldn't vote, now I probably should, but ...I don't believe what Obama goes for is realistic, and the other candidates sound kinda stale.

It maybe a good idea to make a thread about the coming elections, so to help un-interested-in-politics members like me to make up a reasonable decision. Who want to volunteer to start and run a thread like that?
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 23:43
Originally posted by Nick1986

FDR for saving the US from depression and leading his country against the Nazis. If the modern day reactionaries shut their mouths and supported Obama's reforms (instead of demonising him for being black and taxing the rich) Americans would have more jobs and a better quality of life

So if  don't support the current president, then they are automatically racist?

I'm doing everything in my voting power and influence in making sure the current president
is just a sad footnote in history. He is so out of touch with reality it is painful. We cannot as a 
nation survive four more years of his wild spending. And please, no blaming President Bush
for every bumbled effort by this current president does.

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 20:00
Originally posted by Nick1986

FDR for saving the US from depression and leading his country against the Nazis. If the modern day reactionaries shut their mouths and supported Obama's reforms (instead of demonising him for being black and taxing the rich) Americans would have more jobs and a better quality of life
 
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FDR for saving the US from depression and leading his country against the Nazis. If the modern day reactionaries shut their mouths and supported Obama's reforms (instead of demonising him for being black and taxing the rich) Americans would have more jobs and a better quality of life
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Others don't matter for me. However Clinton one of the best remembered one with positively  in Turkey
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 09:41
Cal Coolidge is one of my favs.  He basically did absolutely nothing while in office, which is exactly what the people wanted at that time.
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 01:45
Originally posted by Don Quixote

So, it should be an American saying "Beware the 4th of July, not the "Ides of March"?

You're not far off.  The month of July has taken a few presidents.

1. Jefferson
2. Adams
3. Monroe
4. Taylor
5. Van Buren
6. A. Johnson
7. Grant

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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 01:18
So, it should be an American saying "Beware the 4th of July, not the "Ides of March"?
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 01:11
A side note about presidential deaths involving the great trio of Jefferson-Adams-Monroe.
Jefferson and Adams both died on 4 July 1826.
Madison died exactly five years later to the day, on 4 July 1831.


Bonus:
Calvin Coolidge, the 30th President, was born on July 4th, 1872

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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 01:08
I was wrong then tooDead, thanks for correcting me.
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 01:06
Originally posted by Don Quixote

 
Jefferson and Adams are like the two sides of the American coin, IMHO; but I'm not very versed in US history, so I'm not so positive that my opinion here is any good.

Yes, Jefferson & Adams were polar opposites on a great many things, but also, alike in many 
other respects. They were close friends at the end of their lives.

Those were the last words of Adams, right "Jefferson still lives", and like couple of months later Jefferson died too.

Adams did utter something to that effect, "Jefferson lives", "Jefferson survives" but Mr. Adams
was wrong. Jefferson had died in bed at Monticello a few hours earlier. 
 




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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 20:07
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My namesake here, Thomas Jefferson Adams. 
Also in the mix
Madison
Washington
Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Reagan
and honorable mention:
G.W. Bush

Jefferson and Adams are like the two sides of the American coin, IMHO; but I'm not very versed in US history, so I'm not so positive that my opinion here is any good.
Those were the last words of Adams, right "Jefferson still lives", and like couple of months later Jefferson died too.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 20:01
I actually like most of your choices, CV. I like Truman and Reagan, but regrettably know little about Polk, Ike and Ford. Reagan was the archdevil of my communist youthSmile.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 17:48
I dont have a favorite I have numerous I admire for varying reasons.
 
Washington
Jefferson
Jackson
JK Polk
Lincoln
TR
Truman
Ike
Ford
Reagan
GHW Bush
GW Bush
 
 
 
 


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