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    Posted: 23-Jun-2012 at 04:05
Bulls and mother-goddesses go together. Hekata is an aspect of Mother-Goddess, there have to be a bull around her too.
Suppose the breasts on Artemis of Ephesus are really bull balls full with something to look so full? Maybe they made rattles of sacrificial bull balls, filling them with some grains? It's possible, IMHO. I studied it in the university as being breasts, but the bull testicles theory is a valid one too.


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I do not know for sure but ideas are those we need here.Also aspects about it in old scripts.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2012 at 04:17
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Has anyone ever tried to recreate the garland/bodice of testicles, just to see if it is possible for it to look like the statue? How would they be attached to each other or around the human body?
Do you think they are from slaughtered bulls, or castrated bulls?
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From all reports Jesus had balls, his mother didn't...the 'great mother' merely wore them. This is beginning to appear like a surreptitious effort to recreate a reason for women's liberationists theological revisionism.
 
 
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

This is beginning to appear like a surreptitious effort to recreate a reason for women's liberationists theological revisionism.
Just a thought, CV. To recreate a reason, would there needed to be a reasonable reason in the first place?Wink
Hell, CV, I'm starting to think I'm in need of something similar to that rot gut you're so in favour of.LOL
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

This is beginning to appear like a surreptitious effort to recreate a reason for women's liberationists theological revisionism.
Just a thought, CV. To recreate a reason, would there needed to be a reasonable reason in the first place?Wink
Hell, CV, I'm starting to think I'm in need of something similar to that rot gut you're so in favour of.LOL
 
 
Only in the minds of fanatics devoted to ''women's liberationists theological'' identities of comparative mythologies and or those who wish to defame, vilify and or malign traditional Christian dogma and traditon. Better stated would have been 'to justify'.
 
And to counter those.... you will need years and years of active resistence and rejection of their bullshit and lakes of tiswin.
 
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2012 at 00:34
With this CV by C.V. glorious future follows.By the way I asked you for names&meanings of symbols(Sun rays and Gods?!?)around the neck of Goddess.
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Originally posted by medenaywe

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24141292@N02/4012525402
Sorry,you are right Sidney.They are around Her belt/chests depends of statue version:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amthomson/4012523292/in/photostream/


Originally posted by medenaywe

By the way I asked you for names&meanings of symbols(Sun rays and Gods?!?)around the neck of Goddess.


In both images the encircling images are of the signs of the Zodiac;

The first picture, running round from the left, seems to have; Aries[?] (ram), Taurus (bull), Gemini (twin youths), Cancer (crab), Leo (lion), Virgo (maiden), Libra (figure of justice), Scorpio (scorpion). These 8 signs represent the period of the year from mid-April to late November. Perhaps the four winged nymphs are the Horae, or seasons, the daughters of the sun god Helios, who measured out time and brought order to the year - some of the figures seem to be carrying rods.
What are the acorn-like objects that are strung around the statue's neck and around the garland?


The second picture is not clear enough and at the wrong angle to see, and the first two and last two depictions in the following sequence are based on guesses from expectation. So, running from the left, it has;    
Pisces (two fish), Aquarius (man with a water jar), Capricorn (fish-goat), Sagitarius (centaur archer), Scorpio (scorpion), Libra (figure of justice), Virgo (maiden), Leo (lion), Cancer (crab). This is in reverse sequence to the expected order of the Zodiac, If running the right way (from Cancer to Pisces) these 9 signs would cover mid-July to mid-April. Cannot tell anything about the figures around the neck, except that there might be four of them.


Has the back of these statues ever been photoed/described? It would be nice to know if there are any decorations, and if the garlands run all the way around.

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Originally posted by Sidney

 
In both images the encircling images are of the signs of the Zodiac;

The first picture, running round from the left, seems to have; Aries[?] (ram), Taurus (bull), Gemini (twin youths), Cancer (crab), Leo (lion), Virgo (maiden), Libra (figure of justice), Scorpio (scorpion). These 8 signs represent the period of the year from mid-April to late November. Perhaps the four winged nymphs are the Horae, or seasons, the daughters of the sun god Helios, who measured out time and brought order to the year - some of the figures seem to be carrying rods.
What are the acorn-like objects that are strung around the statue's neck and around the garland?


The second picture is not clear enough and at the wrong angle to see, and the first two and last two depictions in the following sequence are based on guesses from expectation. So, running from the left, it has;    
Pisces (two fish), Aquarius (man with a water jar), Capricorn (fish-goat), Sagitarius (centaur archer), Scorpio (scorpion), Libra (figure of justice), Virgo (maiden), Leo (lion), Cancer (crab). This is in reverse sequence to the expected order of the Zodiac, If running the right way (from Cancer to Pisces) these 9 signs would cover mid-July to mid-April. Cannot tell anything about the figures around the neck, except that there might be four of them.


Has the back of these statues ever been photoed/described? It would be nice to know if there are any decorations, and if the garlands run all the way around.
My guess is that the sequences might have to do with aspects of Venus.
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Thanks both of you!There is Sun-like garland and human figures,mostly female if dressing means something?Who do they are?
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I don't know how much this adds, but I found this interesting:

Different Aspects of Artemis

EPHESIAN ARTEMIS
 

For all its confused history and eventual greatness, fueled by its position as a crossroads between
  North and South, East and West, Ephesus had humble beginnings. It began as a tree shrine, set on
 sheepskins laid between the arms of a stream to protect it from earthquakes by travelling Amazons.
 As a tree divinity, Artemis was closely associated with the bird and pole motif, as a sort of artificial
 tree with a bird perched in it... or the thyrsus, a staff tipped with a pine cone stolen by the followers
                                 of Dionysus.

  Artemis' worship was respected and accepted by the people of the area, who considered her to be
   the same as their Ephesia. Her statue still exists and is justly famous, its torso covered in eggs
   representing her concern with abundance and life. The mellisae were her priestesses. The great
 temple eventually built there was by Anatolian Amazons who worshipped Cybele, whom Greeks later
  tried to replace with Leto. Devotion to Artemis and Cybele was widespread and fervent, and since
 Artemis had become so strongly associated with Ephesus, when Alexander of Macedon restored the
 temple as a political maneuvre, his popularity skyrocketed. In effect, he got to partake in a little of the
  Goddess, even as he defiled the Temple by replacing images of Amazons with men and gods and
                      placed more power in the hands of priests.

  Ephesia's name means appetite, suggesting her as a Goddess of life, reproduction, death, survival...
 the power of instinct. This meshed with Artemis' original form, which is more warlike and assertive in
  the world. Her love for her children and her defense of them is as fierce as a summer storm. The
 Amazons particularly adored Artemis in this form, as protector and leader. Ephesia herself may have
                 developed from Cybele of Scythia and Rhea of Anatolia.

  Artemis' tree priestesses at Ephesus served her under her title of Opis, meaning silent or aweful.
   These dryads, or druids as they are better known, called the eldest of their number by this title. 
   Initially their shrine was a grove of trees on a nearby mountain. They may have been wandering
 Amazons or native to the area. Offerings to Opis were given only by women, usually a lock of hair.

   At the temple, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, the Goddess was commonly known as
  Cybele, Mother of all Creatures, Lady of the Beasts. Her pine cone tipped wand represented her
   motherhood. Just as she brought all life into the world, she took it back into herself at death. Her
  statue had no legs because a Goddess needs none, since her presence is everywhere. The turret
  crown marked her as protector of Ephesus. The final takeover by eunuch priests heralded another
 rebuilding of the temple and final take over by patriarchal forces. Only vague memories of Meliboea,
 whose original name was Automate 'moved of herself' with her partner Epidiata 'banquet' remained
                            of the original priestesses.

      A firm belief developed that Artemis and Cybele were the same Goddess, just different
    understandings of her. A neat and peaceful resolution of much confusion that was often not
                         understood, by design or mistake.

  On the island of Kythera, Artemis of Ephesus was worshipped as well, her connections to sex and
   reproduction directly acknowledged. Commentators at the time considered her to be similar to
                               Aphrodite there.

                          ARTEMIS AND THE BEAR

  Another spectacularly popular avatar of Artemis was as Great Bear, Ursa Major. Worshipped all
  over Greece, but especially in Arkadia where she and Kallisto vied for followers, her worship was
  wideflung. Helvetians sometimes called her Artio, and worshipped her near Berne, a place named
'She Bear.' Even today its coat of arms includes a bear. Celts, especially of Britain, called her Art and
  their bear king Arthur her son. Each Celtic hunter used to pay a 'fine' for each animal taken into a
 communal fund used to purchase a sacrifice to Artemis each year. Later, even the Christian church
   could not ignore her and canonized her as Saint Ursula, from the Saxon name Ursel. Irish 'Art'
                    originally meant 'Bear Goddess,' rather than god.

 A number of ideas, some quite sophisticated, supported the widespread worship of the Bear Goddess.

  Artemis as bear ruled the constellation Ursa Major, which pointed to the North Pole Star, the axis
 mundi. As such, she guarded and protected the very hub if the world.The seven stars of Ursa Major
  may have been the original Seven Sisters or Seven Pillars. The Pleiades are in the constellation of
 Taurus, connecting them to Artemis Tauropolos, so all of the Pleiades were followers of Artemis, not
  just Taygete. Given this connection, it is easier to understand the imortance of such a dim group of
                                   stars.

 The month and season can be worked out in the Northern hemisphere by noting where Ursa Major is
 in the sky at nightfall. When Ursa Major's tail points East, spring has arrived; South, summer; West
 autumn, and finally, the tail pointing North heralds winter. Perhaps this direction of movement gave us
  'clockwise,' since it is easier to learn about how the appearance of the sky relates to the seasons
                      when the stars are visible to the naked eye.

   Later reinterpretation of Ursa Major as the transformed Kallisto and Ursa Minor as her son are
   forced and not consistently repeated by scholars or folklore. Ursa Major and the pole star were
  always feminine in mythology, even after attempts to masculinize them both. For instance, the axis
   mundi was made into a tree of life with weirdly feminine abilities. More often Ursa Major was
    divorced from its bear symbolism and made the throne of the Sky Goddess, Hera or Artemis
                                  Astrateia.

 Other reasons for worshipping Artemis as bear come from that animal's qualities. The mother bear is
  one of the most formidable animals in the forest for her size, strength, agility, and fierce defense of
   her young. Today the mother bear is still regarded as a fearsome beast for these reasons. Bears
 know how to find herbs and roots to heal injuries and illnesses they suffer. They incubate their young
                during hibernation, protecting vulnerable cubs from the cold.

 People used to place their children under the protection of this great force to protect and heal. To this
  end, infants were placed on bear skins soon after birth to invoke that power, a practise continued
   from the Neolithic. The berserkers, 'wearers of bear shirts' (bear sarks) worshipped Artio, and
         wished to channel this same protecting power to help them succeed in battle.

   Artemis and her followers could take the form of bears at will, an idea integral to the worship of
 Artemis Brauronia in Attica. In Attica the statue of the Goddess had an obsidian knife hidden in her
crown, used in animal sacrifice by her priestesses. Young girls were brought to the Brauronian temple
  for confirmation ceremonies during the festival of Mounychia. They danced as bears in Artemis'
 honour, becoming her companions in freedom and self rule. Wearing saffron tunics and leaf crowns,
         carrying twigs or torches, they also gave thanks for the animals of the forest.

  Agrotera, 'wild strength' or 'berserker' was a Goddess of battle sacrificed to before campaigns by
 Spartans. She was popularly considered an avatar of Artemis, and her untamed, wild nature suggests
                            the bear when provoked.

   Kallisto, a native ARkadian bear Goddess is interesting for herself, as well as for the aspects of
   Artemis that she shares. Kallisto's name means 'the fairest,' yet Kalli(Kali) was never used for
 descriptions of what was conventionally beautiful. (Similar to the 'beautiful' Harpies, who are always
 grotesque in Greek mythology.) It was used for things that actually seeemed ugly or frightening, yet
  Kallisto was a well loved and popular Goddess in Arkadia. Another avatar of the force of instinct,
 when in human form she was an athlete and hunter of great strength. She traversed her forests and
                             mountains in bare feet.

Other authors have noted that she is related to Kali, the 'Death Goddess' of India. Wjile embodying all
 that is frightening and gruesome, Kali is deeply loved by her worshippers, inspiring some of the most
 beautiful, powerful poetry ever written. Kali forces her worshippers to face their fear of death, and in
  the process, eliminate it. She moves the idea of reincarnation from a logical construct to a belief.

 Artemis, especially when associated with Ephesus is also destroyer, death bringer, and psychopomp,
 guide between worlds and lives. Eventually Kallisto's sacred island Kalliste was renamed Thera 'She
                         Beast' and rededicated to Artemis.

                             HANGED ARTEMIS

 Besides being worshipped as hunter, destroyer, crone, Moon, and many other aspects, Artemis was
 seen as a tree Goddess. Trees in general, as well as of the world tree were hers, the latter being the
source of unborn souls. The Vikings called this tree Ygdrassil, and it would produce the first person of
  the next world, the woman Lif. The fruit of the Tree of Life could give, depending on how it was
 obtained and when it was eaten, eternal life, great wisdom, or help during labour. Eternal life did not
   mean immortality in the usual sense, but rebirth, the continuing survival of the soul. A spring at
 Ygdrassil's root was a fluid called aurr, which gave life and may have been the Goddess' menstrual
                                   blood.

 Dryads, better known as druids were oak nymphs, oracular priestesses of the oak groves. So fierce
 were they in defense of their forests, and so taboo was cutting the trees that Greeks came to believe
  that the druids kept their souls in the trees, and suffered death or injury when the trees did. Some
   druids could become serpents, and were referred to as hamadryads. The greatest shrine of the
            Galatians of Asia Minor was called Druremeton, Druid Moon Grove.

 Real or artificial trees were used in her temple and those of Goddesses she absorbed, like Aria of the
 oaks. Trees outside were treated in the same way, hung with masks or doll images of Artemis at the
    points of the compass. In this way her benign gaze could bring proseprity and protection in all
    directions. This may be the reason for hanging sacrifices to Artemis at Hierapolis on possible
     firerunners of the 'Christmas' tree. Another shrine of Hanged Artemis was in Kordyleia.

The same principle may have led to the development of scarecrows. These once common denizens of
  grain fields never scared away a crow, their avowed purpose. They were the means by which the
            Goddess' presence and benign influence was called down to the crop.

 Arrhippe, a hunter and attendent of Artemis also maintained a temple of Hanged Artemis. While her
  legend has been garbled by Greek commentators, she seems to have presided over sexual rites in
                        order to bring prosperity to the land.

                          ARTEMIS AND THE DEER

 The deer is associated with the Moon and water, as Artemis is. The word deer has been translated
                   'shining fire' which connects Artemis with the Sun.

 The Kerynean hind (also called the hind of Arkadia), could run incredibly fast, had antlers of gold and
 hooves of bronze, and was dedicated to Artemis by the Pleiad Taygete. The Hind could be pursued
  for a year without capturing it, suggesting that it was a Zodiacal figure. It could also represent any
      quality or thing such as love or wisdom, which cannot be obtained by nefarious means.

 The hunter Arge, a priestess of Artemis of the Red Deer, performed the pantomime of the death of
  Actaeon, the sacred deer king on Artemis' sacred mountain with her sister priestesses. No matter
  how fast he ran, Actaeon was always caught. This sacred drama was performed until very late, as
  evidenced by a list of the hounds of Artemis, mistakenly called Actaeon's: Arethusa, Argo, Aura,
    Chediatros, Cyllo, Dinomache, Dioxippe, Echione, Gorgo, Harpya, Lacaena, Laera, Lynceste,
  Melanchaetes, Ocydrome, Ocypete, Oresitrophos, Orias, Oxyrhoe, Sagros, Theridamas, Theriope,
   Theriphone, Uolatos, and Urania. Their sacred number was supposed to be 12 or 50, their base
                             Mount Leuke on Crete.

 Barbarian Germany still had the ritual bath of the deer Goddess, which only doomed men could see.
 Such men were sacred kings, men who ruled for half a great year, then were killed and replaced by a
 co-king, often called a tannist. This was regarded as highly important, since if a king ruled too long, he
 could become impotent in office, bringing famine to the land. In the first century AD, priestesses of
Artemis still performed the sacred drama in their Goddess' mountains... the 'king' actually killed was a
  deer. Later, Artemis' groves became places where her followers merely feasted on venison, and
                          were renamed 'deer gardens.'

  Since records consistently refer to a 'pantomime' or 'drama' and the ritual continued until late, it is
  hard to believe that a man who played or was the outgoing king was killed. He only needed to be
 removed from office, and probably did so willingly, until patriarchy began to take hold, and old kings
                      tried to hold the throne beyond their term.

 Greek mythographers may or may not have known that Actaeon was such a sacred king, but Greek 
 vase painters did. Actaeon was portrayed not as a stag, but wearing a deer skin and antlers. Strabo
  described Artemis Apaturos as a Goddess who killed her lovers after copulating, another common
 fate of sacred kings. Apaturos means 'guardian of secrets,' in this case sacred mysteries revealed to
                          the king just before hos death.

                           ARTEMIS OF THE BULLS

 Artemis and Goddesses similar to her were also closely connected to the bull and cow, sacred from
  Neolithic times. The head and horns of a bull resemble the uterus and ovaries of a woman, and the
 cow produced milk for people as well as her young. Both could provide meat, leather for clothing and
 footwear, horns for musical instruments, and so on. These connections had persisted on Crete more
      than elsewhere in Southern Greece, where they were connected to Britomartis instead.

   The bull's head was clearly connected to rebirth and new life. The butterfly, one of the symbolic
   carriers of human souls in the cycle of rebirth. Hence the association between the bull's head,
    butterfly and double ax. The bull and double ax became especially connected to Artemis. The
 ceremony of blood baptism was used in her worship, later taken as a sacrament by the worshippers
                                 of Mithras.

    The ceremony used by those worshippers may not have been identical to that of Tauropolos,
 however. Worshippers of Mithras stood beneath a grating, and were drenched with bull's blood as its
  throat was cut above it. According to Greek writers, priestesses of Tauropolos were the only ones
 able to drink bull's blood and survive, implying a strong taboo due to its sacred nature. They were also
                     known to sometimes sacrifice gelded horses.

 Baptism does not need more than a few drops of a liquid for sprinkling, as can be seen in present day
  Christian ceremionies. The religion around Mithras was created for professional soldiers, men who
 faced bloody death each day, an entirely different life pattern from most worshippers of Tauropolos.

  On Bronze Age Crete, the Goddess of the Sun was the one to whom bulls were sacred. The bull
 game of Crete was called the taurokathapsia, 'purifying bull dance.' This was not a bullfight, but a test
     of bravery and skill, in which young women and men ran at the bull, grasped its horns, and
  somersaulted over its back. While Tauropolos does mean bullslayer, this refers to the sacrifice of
  bulls, not the process of infuriating and tormenting a large bull prior to killing it through loss of blood
                           and repeated sword thrusts.

  Sacrifice often involved beheading the bull and leaving its head in the temple, where the skull was
    used in sacred decoration. The meat was returned to the family who provided the bull, or if a
 community sacrifice, was shared in a feast. No evidence exists of a human sacrifice in the Neolithic,
       the time these ceremonies derive from, or any such sacrifices later in this context.

  The story of the island of Taurus, with its homicidal priestess of Artemis Iphigeneia is probably a
  demonization of other religious practises. Bull heads were mounted on the walls of many temples,
    from Catal Huyuk to Crete. The practice of embalming and displaying the heads of honoured
ancestors may also be the original action. It was meant to allow the ancestors to be part of the family,
        still remembered and respected, who in turn contributed wisdom and protection.

 So Iphigeneia, whose name is also a title of Artemis, is a mortuary priestess like Kirke and Calypso.

  Men in Attica could dedicate themselves to Artemis Tauropolos by undergoing a mock beheading
 ceremony in which a few drops of blood were drawn from his neck with a labrys. Its descendant is
                          the English Knighting ceremony.

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Originally posted by medenaywe

Thanks both of you!There is Sun-like garland and human figures,mostly female if dressing means something?Who do they are?


Did I not just answer that? What extra details or aspect are you after?

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No you did not answer right!Still have correctional trials.SmileI will post my research here as soon it comes.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 02:18
Which does course uses human population mostly on Earth?SmileI believe it speaks about Mother,The Goddess, in original.

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 10:56
Do not put me out of context here!I believe all this has been started by members of new religion against the members of old religion.

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 11:27
There are those who believe the Mother Goddess was preceded by the Swan Cult.  Or that's what some call it.  Supposedly the Mother Goddess grew out of the figure of the Nesting Swan.  Earliest known depictions are dated from about 9,000 to 5,000 BCE.  The best known of these comes from Mesopotamia CA 5,000 bce.  However there are similar depictions found almost globally, including NA.
As strange as this sounds, there is an incredibly similar carving of a nesting swan or similar fowl, sitting in a flower bed about 4 streets away from where I live.  The folks who live there dug it up in their backyard about 30 years ago.  Not realizing this area has been populated for at least 12,000 years, and had originally been densely populated for about 3,000 years, they attributed the carving to colonial farmers.  I have several smaller carvings similar to this larger one.  Enough for me to comfortably attribute these carvings to the Early and Middle Archaic peoples who were here at the time.
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 11:32
Swan Cult?!?Never heart about it.Why swan?Why did earth as Goddess they chose I know?
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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 16:18
Swans and geese were very sacred birds. Geese, in particular, were kept in temples by the Romans and Egyptians.

Swan-maidens (beautiful women who could transform into swans) appear in the folklore of Northern Europe. In Greek mythology Aphrodite is shown riding a swan, and both the legends of the ancient goddess Nemesis and of Leda involve them being swan-lovers and laying eggs, from whom Helen was born.

In India, Brahma, the creator god, was born from the egg laid by the swan-goose Hamsa. His wife Saraswati rides this swan-goose, while Brahma flies in a chariot pulled by swans.

In Egyptian mythology the primordial god - the Great Cackler (sometimes Amon or Geb as a goose) hatched the world from an egg. Isis was sometimes called the 'egg of the goose' ie daughter of Geb (she and her sister are also often shown with bird wings).

Many myths have a cosmic egg from which the creator god or the universe is hatched. So I guess something had to lay that egg. Big eggs come from big birds - hence geese or swans, although in the Kalevala the egg is a duck egg, and in Polynesian myths the egg is laid by a turtle.

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 03:42
Thank You Sidney!All flora&fauna above&under earth soil are Goddess resurrections appearances!Swan and
Goose(motherhood icon!) look very wanted i suppose.
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