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    Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 03:28
Your palm is as you cover a small bird or similar!You fear not to hurt it!Smile
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 03:32
Ah, OK, yes, we talked about this before. Another cultural archetype, the mother's sign, that's why countries in general are seen as female.Smile
I wonder of there is any significance to the fact that the letter "M" is "W" upside down - it plays with mother-womb symbolism very well; and they are both double "V". Double feminine = wombs and mothers.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 03:35
Originally posted by medenaywe

Your palm is as you cover a small bird or similar!You fear not to hurt it!Smile

Oh, I see! This has special significance for me, I'll post on this tomorrow, now I really have to go, I'm doing Kindergarten classes tomorrow and i need some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Sleepy
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 12:01
Don will copy&paste this again here,we have words,whom did they pray:
ReN=Looked be(Praised be) Mother/'s!(Praised be Jesus Christ!)(imperative singular)

Ba=Forbearance!

Ka=Character/Feature!

SheUT=Whispering(Praying!) mouth dreams!

IB=(Let it Be!)The First Her,Order!(Imperative singular!)

The Sheut shows us that pray is always someones whisper!EVEN silent one!



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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 14:28
Let me define here why / sign could be translated:Mother also Mother's?Tell me part around you that does not belongs to Her!LOLThis is including You also!Wink

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 08:29
Ha=Human body=Destination
Haw=?(How to read "w")Will try lot of versions in Origins!
other souls
were aakhu, khaibut, and khat.
aakhu=Victim-like victim  equals  with  arrow-like mouth!
khaibut=Equal with purpose,loves dream!
Khat=Equal with destination Dreams!
    Give me "Hai" in Origins!
Haw=HaV=Destined obedience!It looks as Buddhism!




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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 01:49
This is one of the reliefs from Gobekli Tepe, 11,000-9,000 BC:
http://media.smithsonianmag.com/images/gobeklitepe_nov08_2.jpg
Here it is the sign of the Mother above the whatever earth creature is potrayed under it. The imagery from Asia Minor, Crete and Egypt were created in one cultural area, one cultural continuation.

"...With the advent of agriculture in the Mediterranean regions ( 9000-7000 B.C.E.), the number of female statuettes did not decrease, and many hundreds were retrieved in Anatolia, Crete, and Egypt from the houses, graves, and sanctuaries of a farming population. Some stylistic similarity between the hunters' and the farmers' artifacts indicates an awareness of the same principle that, as it is believed, had given solace and sustenance in earlier ages. M.E.L. Mallowan, the excavator of Arpachiyah, concluded that "fertility worship connected with a 'mother goddess' cult must indeed be one of the oldest and longest surviving religions of the ancient world." 3

The same life-shaping force is said to have acquired its fullest realization in Minoan Crete. Here "the Minoan Goddess was depicted in clay and porcelain as the Earth-Mother, the Mountain-Mother, the Mistress of trees and the Lady of wild beasts." 4 W.K.C Guthrie understands that the Potnia (Lady) was the earth in all its aspects, the universal mother goddess, mother of fruits, mother and mistress of animals, and had the king and his palace under her special protection. 5 We would thus find in this culture the first evidence of the infinite variety of forms that belong with the image of the maternal divinity.

She had received, it is said, her new significance with the agriculturalists' new mastery over their environment, since the miracle of vegetative growth was assimilated to the mystery of the fertile womb. Mircea Eliade thus asserts, "The sacrality of sexual life, and first of all of feminine sexuality, became inseparable from the miraculous enigma of creation. . . . A complex symbolism . . . associates woman and sexuality with lunar rhythm, with the earth (assimilated to the womb), and what must be called: the 'mystery of vegetation." 6 Since women participated more fully in tilling the soil than in hunting savage beasts and may even have invented agriculture, a matriarchal society may have arisen, in which it is only natural that the mother goddess, now seen in the image of the fruitful earth, the Earth Goddess, should have acquired yet another powerful dimension. Thus "it is not surprising that in the religious thought of a farming culture the great earth-goddess is conceived as a Supreme Being, and more especially as a Supreme Creator." 7..."

pg. 5-6 from "Faces of the Goddess" by Lotti Merz, that I read on Questia, so I cannot provide a live link, sorry.



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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 02:01
Yes,that's "Time out" sign:The Head,in my language!We still use it.Also / is there.Is it possible that mother's cult was monotheistic religion once,Don?
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 02:17
Very possible. In fact what I've read by Eliade and Campbell fall in line with that, and also Gumbitas. Later the Mother-Goddess image split in aspects to make out the female goddesses of the polytheistic religions; only some cultures, like the Thracians and the Phrygians kept her whole, in the faces of  Cotys and Cybele.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 00:38
It seems that the Mother-Goddess was seen in many cultures as an animal or able to turn herself into an animal. Gumbitas talk about the Bird-Woman, the earliest, Neolithic variation of Mother-Goddess, of which I posted pictures along the thread. In the Greek mythology, Demeter, an aspect of the Mother-Goddess, transformed serself into a mare to escape Poseidon who was after her. Hathor and Isis were pictured as a white cow:
Hathor:
File:GD-EG-Caire-Musée091.JPG

In Greek mythology, Io , a Naiad, /and therefore an aspect of the Mother-Goddess in her nature-protecting aspect/ was transformed into white cow hiding from Hera;
Hermes slaying Argus Panoptes | Athenian red figure stamnos C5th B.C. | Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna
According to Herodotus cows were never sacrificed because they were sacred to Isis - who was pictured sometimes as a cow too.

Medea was also an aspect of Mother-Goddess - she was a daughter of Helios and Hecate, and she possessed the skills to turn a person into an animal - a power over nature. Who can have power over nature but a mother-goddess who is nature and created all living creatures?
The jackal-god Anubis, god of death, the mummification and afterlife, had as his consort Anput, the jackal goddess - she is his consort looks like one of the aspects of the Mother-Goddess; since Mother-Goddess is responsible for death, as well as for life. The hierogliph for Anput contains a blade, a bird, a wave of "v's", and half a sun disk - with the "v" letter, the bird ans the blade symbols of Mother-Goddess.

Like Anubis, she was represented with jackal head
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VMTPtOV_i4k/Ta7l8CJWzPI/AAAAAAAAB3I/YrvkNboC2II/s1600/Anput__Wife_of_Anubis_2_by_danionica.jpg


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Feb-2012 at 15:01
All those were morphing appearances of Goddess on Earth's surface.All five principles of life were devoted to her and their improvements in obedience on Earth's soil.
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Edremit-one of the Turkish big town
Adramytteion- greek name of the town
Adra- origin of the name, means main male god in luwian language

guess which god is the protective deity of the town in hellenistic period?
Zeus and Pegasus

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/adramyt_001.html

Madra-Mountain near this town
"Ma-adra"- means husband of the great mother
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 01:27
If the sounds are preserved well:MaADRa=Supportable victim gifts arm!Olios go in origins and will sea that mountain is mother's arm!SmileName looks good!
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 12:50
Big smile Here is sign for head also:(last one from Bat Creek stone!)





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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 13:47
Ligature sounds:NaAG=offer to victim's head!(before it,is our sign "co"=palm,so Co NaAG=palm offer to victim's head!(some kind of sign?!?)).You can see above ancient E image in mirror,our answer.Sign for Me is little bit pushed back.I know that i need more than one script from the same author if i need precise sign prediction.(Co is on the edge on left side of stone!(It could be some of S syllables also.It is cut close to sharp angle.)You also have plenty of mother's signs here.It looks someone had visited&traded(?) with America long time ago before Columbus?!?Other options:telepathy or aliens!

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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 02:34
You know, this is one of the corner stones in the LDS church's doctrine - that an extended family of Hebrews made it to North America in like 6th century BC; whatever this may mean or not mean.
Great job anywaySmile, I didn't even think of connecting to North American artefacts and looking for parallels.


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 02:38
I am talking about signs only.Same or Similar signs uses Demotic text.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 02:49
That's interesting because from what I've read it was supposed to be Hebrew http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html  , but I have no idea what is the linguistic connection, if any, between Hebrew and Demotic.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 03:09
Hebrew words are Demotic syllables.Go to Chanukkah in origins!I expect also many others but have no one
to talk about it here.We share same syllables with Hebrew&Arabs and lot of others.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 03:16
I see, thanks. It would be useful to find a Hebrew dictionary, but I don't have one, and an online one wouldn't work because pf the Hebrew alphabetDisapprove.
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