Origins of language!

Originally posted by medenaywe RoDiNa=Homeland=From root admire offers! "Illogical" form: Rootless admire offers!

In Bulgarian "rodina" is "homeland: root "rod".
"rodia" - giving birth, 1ts person singular
"rajdam" - present continuous tense
"rod" - kin
"ina" - feminine ending, presenting the idea of one's homeland as "motherland", as one being literally born from this land. which is idea in many cultures, the homeland presented like a physical mother.

In Russian there is this diminutive one calls a person one loves "rod-nenkii", which means something like "my blood, my kin". Also, "nenki" is an old Bulgarian word for female breasts, so "rod-nenki" sounds like literally being born on one's mother's breasts; singular is "nenka". I suppose this may have been the first meaning of the word, and later in Bulgarian "nenka" changed in "ina" - 3 linguistic steps:
- "en" in "in" - lenition
-  k vanished - elision
-  the first and the second "n" became one - either elision or epenthesis.

Also, in Bulgarian
"rod-nina" - relative
"rod-en" - native, literally - "born by". From "rod-nenka" to "rode-en" is again 3 linguistic steps, 2 elisions to drop "k" and "a" and one assimilation to make the first "n" wand the second one.
Anyway, the root "rod" may have come from the Latin for root - "rad-ix", with one linguistic step, "a" in "o", fortition.

"Di" may have come from the Latin "do-dedi-datus", in Bulgarian
"davam" - root "da" is "giving" first person singular
"dar", po-dar-uk"  is offer, present, gift.
"na" is "to" - like in  "I'm giving a gift to her".
I can interpret the Bulgarian and /Russian/ "RoDiNa" as "birth-given-to" - in the meaning of the homeland literally giving birth to whoever lives on that land. Considering that "birth" is what "root" is, and gift is an offer, that's pretty much the same thing you came up with.



Edited by Don Quixote - 07-Feb-2012 at 20:00

Originally posted by medenaywe You are linguist so you are "illogical"!Go back to the math formula!Number is our sentence!Syllables are cyphers and position determines "weight" of syllable:What does it means there,noun/verb/adjective/...?Do not think illogical again here,please!Language of ancient Egyptians&Greeks was mathematics Don!If it stays today our artificial intelligence systems could replicate human brain!

Meh, I'm human and hence nothing human is foreign to me, illogicality included. Besides, I wouldn't be able to write if I was in-toto logical.
But seriously, I don't get what in my reasoning you find illogical? Would you explain?

Besides, "rodina" is not a Greek word, the Ancient Greek word for "country" is "hopa" /χωρα/, feminine gender, and the only thing I can connect it in Bulgarian is the Bulgarian word for "people" "hora"; and the word for "round dance" "hopo"; in which I supposed the meaning went like that - all people living in one country are "xopa", and those people dance certain community dances that increase the social connectiveness between them, dancing round dances on the village square.
So why do I have to expect Greek logic in a Slavic word?


Edited by Don Quixote - 08-Feb-2012 at 02:08

Originally posted by medenaywe You compare something with those above!Your words are distorted residuals that had sourced from right form of syllables.We are looking for it.But of course this is good to compare.Give me more words from languages you know and we all use them....Upps..sorry..

Well, this is your job to find the right syllables, you can source from Egyptian, I can't, I can deal only with distorted residuals. I look for connections of Slavic with Greek and Latin, I can't go farther than this.
What are you sorry about?

Yes, names are loaded with meanings and very important. In fact names are words that are so important that it was considered that giving them to a person would influence their lives, make them healthy, ensure long life, put them under the protection of deities and saint. So names deserve special attention. Post them here.

SaMSuN=Samson=From Soldier interior hungers Mothers!
illogical:
Embedded interior (He,Samsun) hungers mother's!He eats to much.My father always said for me:Look at this Samsun as i am not good enough for nothing less than eating!
SaMSuNG=Samsung,company=Embedded interior hungers dearer head!(?!?)


Edited by medenaywe - 09-Feb-2012 at 04:16

Yes, "solnce" is "sun" in Russian. Bulgarian has less of those, because it put a vowel, like "u" between them, /"u" pronounced like one is straining oneself, more than a moan than a sound/ so it came out like "slunce".
Set see - "ln"

In Bulgarian:
ku-ln-a - swear someone, wish him death and suffering, like "may your hand dry out, may your guts spill out" etc, ...and there is a very rich vocal in Bulgarian for such "swearings", I had seen old women who come with such things to say that I'd be ashamed to post them here...;
 but also a verb "swear" like "pledge allegiance"
ku-ln - sprout
vu-ln-a - sea wave; wool; wool/vulgar word for female genitals/; I think it came from the Latin "vu-lv-a" - female genitals.

vu-lv-ne-nie - verb, for "feeling emotions", like in "my heart 'se vulnuva' getting upset, but it positive meaning, like excitement; also a verb for "sea 'se vulnuva' have waves.
do-ln-o - something downward, like lower part of the human body; vulgar word for human genitals; also low, like in 'low hit', negative meaning, like something dishonorable. 3rd person singular; fem - do-ln-a; masc do-len
na-pu-ln-ia - to pour something onto something else; a vulgar word for getting a woman pregnant

In Russian - "bo-ln-ui" meas "sick" "bolno" - I hurt"
ka-ln-ui - muddy; in Bulgarian is "ka-len" with "e" inserted between "l-n" means both "muddy" and somebody really trained in something, "seasoned"
vo-ln-o - free, 3rd person singular; fem vo-ln-a; masc. vo-len; I connect this one with the sea waves, because they go free around

po-ln-o - full, 3rd person singular; fem - po-ln-aia; masc - po-ln-oi; in Bulgarian the same word became "pulen, pu-ln-a, pu-ln-o".
po-ln-ochi - midnight
no-ln-iet - verb, to grow fat
sla-vn-oi - great, masc; fem. sla-vn-aia; neuter sla-vnoi
che-ln-nui - the last variation of something; like "celnui opit" is "cuting edge technology"

"vn"
In Bulgarian "vi-no-vno" means "someone to blame", 3rd person singular, "it". For male and female it goes respectively "vi-no-ven" and "vi-no-vna".
ra-vn-o - equal, 3rd person singular; fem - ra-vn-a; masc - ra-ven
go-vn-o - vulgar word for excrement

In Russian:
 "vn-utreniu" means "inside something", internal, interior
 "vn-ach-ale" - "in the beginning"
vn-uk - grandson
vne-drenie - to take root
vne - outside
vn-ez-ap-nui - sudden
vn-ecenie - entry, something one takes in something else

vn-esh-nui- external, outward
vn-ikati - penetrate, enter
vn-iz - down
vn-ima-nie - warning
vn-ovi - again
vn-ociti - take in, enter
vn-urti - inside

vn-ush-ati - convince someone of something by repeating it, persuade /negative meaning, like one gets into someone's head and start messing up with the person/
vn-iat-nui - distinct, intelligible
na-ra-vne - equally, on one level
sla-vn-oi - great, masc; fem. sla-vn-aia; neuter sla-vnoi; the same in Bulgaria is masc."sla-ven"; fem- sla-vna" neuter 'sla-vno" - the same word and meaning, only with "e" inserted between v-n.
ro-vn-ui - leveled


Edited by Don Quixote - 08-Feb-2012 at 21:49

HRiSTo=Christ=Arrow-less connection presents shelter!
HRiSToS=Christ=Arrow-less  connection  presents  protected(shielded)presence!

That's the purpose of this topic:to compare and show us that i have not avoided rules&meaning of syllables
in every word i have posted here!
By th way,for me this is a Huge help in further language remake from a scratches!



Edited by medenaywe - 09-Feb-2012 at 03:41

MoEBiUS=infinity=Motherly(Goddess's)answer,executes,word-of-mouth presence!
Be(Bi)or not to(Bi)Be?


Edited by medenaywe - 09-Feb-2012 at 13:16

Originally posted by medenaywe HRiSTo=Christ=Arrow-less connection presents shelter! HRiSToS=Christ=Arrow-less  connection  presents  protected(shielded)presence!

In Bulgarian:
hr-am - temple, the same in Russian; and  temples of any kind are considered "shelters" since Greek time - if a criminal or someone who is persecuted for any reason made it to a temple of any god, no one can lay hands on him/her while she/he is in.
hr-ana - food; Jesus words as "food for the soul" is an expression I had seen and heard more than once

In Ancient Greek:
hr-e /χρεω/ - verb, to deliver oracle - which happens in some kind of a temple, I think the Bulgarian word for temple "hram" came from this Greek word
hr-ao /χραω/ - the utter, to deliver
hr-en /χρεν/ - destiny
hr-ema /χρημα/ - a thing that one needs

oi-stos /οιστος/ - arrow; in Bulgarian:
st-rela - arrow; I suppose it came from the Greek word - "str" is the root.
In Russian:
st-rela - arrow
st-roiat -build /like building a building/
st-ena - wall
str-astnoi - holy, like in "Strastnaia Piatniza" /Good Friday, literally Friday-of-the-Passion/; passionate, like emotional.






Edited by Don Quixote - 09-Feb-2012 at 20:42