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Nick1986 
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 Topic: Alfred the GreatPosted: 10-Dec-2011 at 19:13 |
 Alfred is the only English king known as "the Great" after his successful war against the Vikings that resulted in a fully independent English kingdom. There are many legends surrounding this real-life Arthur, most notably his love of learning, his humility and his skill in battle |
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 11-Dec-2011 at 02:10 |
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
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Nick1986
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Posted: 11-Dec-2011 at 19:16 |
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While Alfred is not officially recognised as a saint, he was a
role-model for English knights and had his own cult. Alfred built the
first English navy to combat Viking longships, and invented the first
clock: a candle with 12 notches to mark the hours (much more reliable than the sundials then in use)
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 11-Dec-2011 at 21:13 |
 In fact he remains one. Whether todays RC dislikers-haters like it or not. They have no need to venerate him as one anylonger. They made their choice.  |
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Nick1986
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Posted: 12-Dec-2011 at 19:15 |
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I thought my church abolished saints after the Reformation. Alfred certainly wasn't worshipped: he was seen more as a role model like Arthur or Edward I
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 12-Dec-2011 at 22:35 |
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Your church did Nick ole son assuming ya a good prot COE...(I don't know).
But at last count approx 8 percent of the population in Britain and Wales was RCC. So they remain free to venerate Alfred as the Saint, he was proclaimed to be by their church. Unless of course ya suggesting another massive pogrom and retaliation program against the RCC with forced conversions in reverse and or excutions...ya all been thru it once or twice. So I imagine the techniques are still relatively fresh. Ya could always queue up, torches in hand, to burn down the Cathedral Church of ST Marie in Sheffield. But how well that might stand up against the Catholic Relief Act of 1829 is problematical. My advice? Let them acknowledge the great King for what he was and became in their eyes. And that includes a a revered figure within the RCC. But I suppose if ya want ya can adopt the revisionist view.
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Nick1986
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Posted: 13-Dec-2011 at 19:03 |
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If we're talking about the pre-Reformation Catholic church it's highly likely they did encourage Alfred's worship. Another king (Edmund the Martyr) was our patron saint before Richard I introduced St George
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Nick1986
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Posted: 14-Dec-2011 at 19:16 |
 This fungus is known as King Alfred's Cake. While hiding from the Vikings, Alfred agreed to watch over a peasant woman's cakes. However, he fell asleep and the cakes burned. The woman scolded Alfred, but instead of voicing outrage, the king humbly apologised |
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Nick1986
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Besides his intelligence and humility Alfred was a very brave man. He disguised himself as a minstrel and, alone, crept into the Viking camp to learn their plans
Alfred the Great: the most perfect man in history |
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Louise C
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Posted: 14-Feb-2012 at 09:43 |
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I understand that, although venerated by many Catholic, Alfred was never actually canonnised as a saint. But he was a great king.
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 14-Feb-2012 at 10:12 |
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Technically that is correct. He was never canonized but he remains venerated ntl as a Christain Hero with an assigned feast day.
And I stand corrected on my earlier statement.....as it had been my understanding he was....I blame the Nuns and the rulers on the knuckles. Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 14-Feb-2012 at 10:16 |
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Posted: 14-Feb-2012 at 12:49 |
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There's a pub in Burrowbridge, Somerset, called The King Alfred Inn, traditionally near the site where Alfred was supposed to have burnt the cakes. http://kingalfredinn.com/ It is near Athelnay, where King Alfred fought against the Viking invasion in 878.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2012 at 19:31 |
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Posted: 15-Feb-2012 at 14:26 |
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King Alfred "the Great" of Wessex (871-899) is not a Saint in the Roman-Catholic Church.
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Nick1986
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Posted: 10-Apr-2012 at 21:55 |
Maybe not, but he's still admired as a great English hero |
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 10-Apr-2012 at 23:08 |
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And any who don't.... remain damn fools.
send the pup ole Nick...the yotes are after the spring calves. and trust me... And as they fear me and then they do fear her. trust me when I remind you she and talk when ya ain't listening. don't ever forget she is lady in the house of Britain who comes when the trumpets call.. even half a world away. But ya half to trust me..she does. So give her a treat.
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Nick1986
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Posted: 11-Apr-2012 at 19:40 |
Will do Centrix. I'll give her another slice of peanut butter toast and maybe an orange (she's sitting on my lap and reading this as i type) |
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JohnAshtone
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Posted: 14-Sep-2012 at 09:43 |
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Centrix Viglis, where in heaven's name did you get the silly idea Alfred was Canonised. He wasn't, don't tell me you found it on t'interweb, because I have to break it to you gently, 90% of what is on t'interweb is wrong, including the suggestion that Alfred was Cononised, the nearest it got was a promotion by Henry VI which was a Political move and rejected by Rome. It is the Popes who decide on who are made Saints, not people on the Internet. And this silly point has nothing to do with why Alfred is called Great, it is to do with his ability to win fights but then settle down and totally reorgansie the Country.
He had been to Rome twice by the age of 6 and this seems to have stayed with him, certainly his strategy when fighting Guthrum is pure Julian, but also he realised he needed the money to fight these battles, hence capturing London, and then building a new quay to increase trade, he also moved the money production to within Wessex from Mercia, ensuring he supplied the coinage.
He knew that to run a succesful country he would need scribes and an Educated class to enforce Laws, fortunately the unsung heroine of English Literature his Mother Queen Osburh had encouraged her sons to the love of books, and Alfred is definitely a bibliophile of the first water.
He also realises even before he was King that a literate people are better served, and had imported some Monks to start teaching reading and writing, he then went one further after he became King and imported Monks who could translate Latin into English.
He set the foundation of England, but also with his defensive measures of a Navy and the Burhs ensured that England could prosper as a trading nation.
And the person who consolidated all this was of course his son Eadward I (the Elder), well no it wasn't, Aethlfaed his eldest Daughter is looking increasingly as the Power after Alfred dies, Eadward is there but it is at least a dual role played, but Aethflaed has been largley airbrushed out of History.
Alfred has every reason to be called Great, not just for his military prowess.
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Posted: 16-Nov-2012 at 09:06 |
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The cult of King Alfred
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Posted: 30-Dec-2012 at 19:12 |
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Another of Alfred's inventions was the lantern. As glass for the panes was unobtainable, Alfred used thin sheets of horn instead
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