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    Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 09:56

Whenever I read or see it on TV people have a different answer. So here are my two questions. How many years did the black plague started and ended?, and how many lives did it take?

 

 

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  Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 11:22
well you can read all I know about the plague on the main site under the article the black death .  I'm assuming that you are refering to the epidemic that ran across europe in the 1300's  not earlier outbreaks. I figure it took around 15 million probib;y not the 25 million that some think.
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  Quote The Canadian Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 11:53
Yes I mean Europe.
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When I hear of the Black Death, there is only mention of the consequences in Western Europe. How did the Black Death affect Eastern Europe?
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  Quote Jazz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Apr-2005 at 20:36
Originally posted by Belisarius

When I hear of the Black Death, there is only mention of the consequences in Western Europe. How did the Black Death affect Eastern Europe?


Didn't it enter Europe through Constantinople?

I recall once reading that it decimated the population of the East Roman Empire, whereas the Turks, who were settling in Europe at the time were staying in the countryside and not affected as much.

Don't forget that there were numerous other outbreaks of the bubonic plague throughout Europe's Middle Ages, with the biggest of these earlier outbreaks occuring in the 540s.
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  Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 12:39

There are some break downs and estimation of figures here:

http://www.themiddleages.net/plague.html

 

 

 

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It affected Eastern Europe quite badly. The Black Death actually began when a Mongol army besieging the Crimean port of Kaffa (in the Crimea) was struck down with the plague. In frustration they hurled infected bodies over the walls via catapult and then packed up camp and disbanded. In Kaffa the plague spread. The city was an outpost held by the Italian city of Genoa and Genoese sailors quickly pulled anchor and set off home to escape. On the route through Constantinople, Greece and Italy they spready it to the rest of Europe and from there it spread like wildfire. Eastern Europe probably wasn't AS badly off as west owing to the fact that it had lower population density and less urbanisation, but omission of East European suffering is because of Western historian's tendency to focus on what affected THEIR own past. As an aside parts of Poland, thanks to their isolation, were virtually free from suffering the plague.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 10:03
That shit still ives...every now and again you hear about an infected critter found in the Sw deserts of New Mexico.....
 
tough little bastard for a bacterium.
 
 
 

''In the U.S., plague cases are rare and relatively isolated; 10 to 20 human cases of plague are reported each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They typically appear in two general areas: one region includes northern New Mexico, northern Arizona and southern Colorado; the other spans California, southern Oregon and far western Nevada......''



Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/10/first-case-of-bubonic-plague-in-2011-appears-in-new-mexico/#ixzz1yLGuwAxE
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 19:27
It still exists in the US? I'd have thought they'd have eradicated it by now
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 03:05
Nah...preponderance of evidence indicates it crosses the southern border viz C. America.....course the socialist-lib-leftist will claim it was a deliberate release of the bacteria from White Sands-Sandia Lab...to create a right wing genetic manipulation population control mechanism directed against Illegal Mexican Aliens.
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2012 at 19:01
A girl in Colorado just caught plague from a squirrel. Can't the scientists develop a vaccine, or oversee exterminations of plague-bearing animals (like rats)?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/girl-catches-bubonic-plague-squirrel-024949496.html
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  Quote JohnAshtone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2012 at 10:21
The problem with numbers of dead and any estimates prior to census information is that it is all educated (and sometimes uneducated) guess work. 
 
No one (actually I mean Mathematicians specifically) seems to be able to come up with reliable figures, if only because we don't know the numbers in households, but also we often don't know how many houses (and hence estimates of households) there are in different regions, and local events within large areas can distort figures so that written evidence is partial without intent from the person writing. 
 
Cleary many died, but even rough percentage figures can be challenged, a 1/3rd or 305 to 35% figure seems not unreasonable but even this might be suspect, as most people have a tendency to go for a middle estimate, when it might be that lower or higher percentages should be the case.
 
~A lot of people died~ is totally unscientific, (and has brought a smile to my face, but that is dreadful in the context) however it is I find in this case perhaps as fair a description of the death toll as any.
 
The main Plague seems to be about 5 years from Western Mongolia, through China, back round through India across Persia into the Levant and into Egypt and Europe, but returned on a regular basis.
 
The London Plague of 1665 is thought to be Bubonic plague.
 
One of the puzzles is how fast it did spread, because on arriving in England in March 1348, it tore throught the Country faster than the rats carrying the Fleas are thought to travel?
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2012 at 14:18
I think, given the amount of time lapsed since the 1665 outbreak, that trying to determine the exact death toll is an exercise in futility.  It also won't give us pertinent info that we don't already have.
Isn't it enough to say that in many towns and regions, there weren't enough folks left to bury the dead?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2012 at 14:52
 
 
 
 
 
The Sedlec Ossuary.  Built in 1511.  It contains the bones of between 40 - 70,000 people,  Some were exhumed from the graveyard for construction of the Chapel this is part of.  But the majority are from the plagues of the 14th Cent. Many hadn't been buried and were brought to the churchyard long after the plague was over.
 
 
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