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Menumorot, why did you delete those posts? It's unconventional, but I don't see why we can't discuss Allied war crimes, even if they were committed by a tiny minority
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While on the subject of Dachau, and the SS, here is a little something found there. Looks like something almost appropriate for the head hunters thread. 

Jacques Rancy with a Shrunken Head that was found in one of the houses used by an SS-Doctor. These were foremost handed out during the period of Camp Commandant Koch, most likely prepared by a dermatologist from murdered inmates and handed out as presents within the SS fraternity in the camp.(This shrunken head was identified as one of a Russian POW) PS.: There is some controversy as to the actual identity of the shrunken head.
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From the pips in his collar, he looks like an NCO. Individual Nazi guards regularly abused prisoners: sometimes because they were acting under orders, but usually because they enjoyed it

Yes, Nick, you're right, he's one SS Squad Leader Steffen Bohne, SS Nr 385 453, of Dacau concentration camp. However the picture shown may well have been taken at the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria.


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Nobody is saying that the Tans were choirboys ( they certainly weren't that ! ), but to compare them to the SS is disgustingly objectionable. Even their most reprehensible behaviour needs to be put into context.
Firstly, only a few years earlier, and when Britain and her allies were almost on their knees fighting the Germans, the Irish took it upon themselves to rebel against Great Britain.  Virtually all of the Tans were British ex servicemen who would not have forgotten that, and nor should they have done !

Secondly, the atrocities committed by the Irish ( even against their own ) were utterly devilish. For example, a British Customs and Excise officer was tortured by the IRA for many hours in order to get him to open his safe. He refused . He was then taken down to the beach, beaten and tortured again and then made to dig his own grave ( a vertical pit ) into which he was thrown and the sand back filled up to his neck.  He was then left to drown when the tide came in.  The following morning his torturers went back to the site, only to find that the tide hadn't come in far enough to drown him. So, what did the IRA do They dug him up, tortured him again, waited for the tide to recede and then made him dig ANOTHER hole ten yards further towards the sea to let the next tide drown him !

At their very worst the Tans never committed anything half as bad as this.  And did the Pope excommunicate these murderers  ?  No he sent two Jesuit priests to ginger them up in their atrocities.
The Inquisitors of Spain could have learned much from those beasts.


The IRA and Loyalists during the Troubles were also monsters for deliberately blowing up innocent women and children. Assassinating politicians (ideal target) or killing enemy soldiers in self-defence isn't so bad, but shooting peacekeepers in the back and setting off bombs is cowardly
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Originally posted by Marlin47

Nobody is saying that the Tans were choirboys ( they certainly weren't that ! ), but to compare them to the SS is disgustingly objectionable. Even their most reprehensible behaviour needs to be put into context.
Firstly, only a few years earlier, and when Britain and her allies were almost on their knees fighting the Germans, the Irish took it upon themselves to rebel against Great Britain.  Virtually all of the Tans were British ex servicemen who would not have forgotten that, and nor should they have done !

Secondly, the atrocities committed by the Irish ( even against their own ) were utterly devilish. For example, a British Customs and Excise officer was tortured by the IRA for many hours in order to get him to open his safe. He refused . He was then taken down to the beach, beaten and tortured again and then made to dig his own grave ( a vertical pit ) into which he was thrown and the sand back filled up to his neck.  He was then left to drown when the tide came in.  The following morning his torturers went back to the site, only to find that the tide hadn't come in far enough to drown him. So, what did the IRA do They dug him up, tortured him again, waited for the tide to recede and then made him dig ANOTHER hole ten yards further towards the sea to let the next tide drown him !

At their very worst the Tans never committed anything half as bad as this.  And did the Pope excommunicate these murderers  ?  No he sent two Jesuit priests to ginger them up in their atrocities.
The Inquisitors of Spain could have learned much from those beasts.

Marlin, this link might interest you. If Michael Collins sees it, we could have an interesting debate on the subject as you seem to know your stuff
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33205
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Originally posted by Nick1986

Originally posted by Cryptic

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One of the SS men employed as concentration camp guards
All I could find on the man is that he was a German guard (rank SS-Scharführer) of Mauthausen Concentration Camp. I couldn't find a name for him, or a date for the photo.

From the pips in his collar, he looks like an NCO. Individual Nazi guards regularly abused prisoners: sometimes because they were acting under orders, but usually because they enjoyed it
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Originally posted by Cryptic

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Who is this person?

One of the SS men employed as concentration camp guards
All I could find on the man is that he was a German guard (rank SS-Scharführer) of Mauthausen Concentration Camp. I couldn't find a name for him, or a date for the photo.
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Nobody is saying that the Tans were choirboys ( they certainly weren't that ! ), but to compare them to the SS is disgustingly objectionable. Even their most reprehensible behaviour needs to be put into context.
Firstly, only a few years earlier, and when Britain and her allies were almost on their knees fighting the Germans, the Irish took it upon themselves to rebel against Great Britain.  Virtually all of the Tans were British ex servicemen who would not have forgotten that, and nor should they have done !

Secondly, the atrocities committed by the Irish ( even against their own ) were utterly devilish. For example, a British Customs and Excise officer was tortured by the IRA for many hours in order to get him to open his safe. He refused . He was then taken down to the beach, beaten and tortured again and then made to dig his own grave ( a vertical pit ) into which he was thrown and the sand back filled up to his neck.  He was then left to drown when the tide came in.  The following morning his torturers went back to the site, only to find that the tide hadn't come in far enough to drown him. So, what did the IRA do They dug him up, tortured him again, waited for the tide to recede and then made him dig ANOTHER hole ten yards further towards the sea to let the next tide drown him !

At their very worst the Tans never committed anything half as bad as this.  And did the Pope excommunicate these murderers  ?  No he sent two Jesuit priests to ginger them up in their atrocities.
The Inquisitors of Spain could have learned much from those beasts.
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Originally posted by Marlin47

I have made a lifelong study of both "The Troubles " and Civil War of Ireland . I have painstakingly built up a significant library of many books on these subjects, and I can tell you categorically and without equivocation , that absolutely NOTHING ever done by the "Black and Tans " remotely resembles the actions of even the most restrained and disciplined SS unit, let alone that commanded by Dirlewanger.

Your comparison of the "Tans " with any SS unit is misguided at best or malicious at worst.  I must ask you, please, to cite any actions of the " Tans " that you believe supports your assertions.  Failing that, if you are a contributor with any integrity at all, you really should remove your scurrilous comment to that effect.  Please take into account that there are millions of people who are impressionable and who will otherwise  believe what you say to be correct.

Users like Michael Collins might disagree with you. The Tans' revenge killings of IRA sympathisers (though on a smaller scale than German atrocities in Poland) were intended to terrorise the population into submission. There are reports of Tans torturing prisoners, mistreating defenceless civilians, and shooting indiscriminately. They were nowhere near as bad as the Germans in WWII, but they were still monsters for their brutality:
http://theirishwar.com/organizations/black-tans/
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I have made a lifelong study of both "The Troubles " and Civil War of Ireland . I have painstakingly built up a significant library of many books on these subjects, and I can tell you categorically and without equivocation , that absolutely NOTHING ever done by the "Black and Tans " remotely resembles the actions of even the most restrained and disciplined SS unit, let alone that commanded by Dirlewanger.

Your comparison of the "Tans " with any SS unit is misguided at best or malicious at worst.  I must ask you, please, to cite any actions of the " Tans " that you believe supports your assertions.  Failing that, if you are a contributor with any integrity at all, you really should remove your scurrilous comment to that effect.  Please take into account that there are millions of people who are impressionable and who will otherwise  believe what you say to be correct.
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Mengele's diary up for auction:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2834578/Nazi-monster-Josef-Mengeles-evil-diary-jottings-to-go-to-auction.html
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OK Azita, tell us everything you know about Allied atrocities


Oh! Nick.

It seems that this would inflame some of the members here, mentioning these atrocities seems to be a greater sin than the crimes themselves.

I already feel bad about Salah a din, i should not have responded to his challenge.

I don't want to be flippant and just cut and paste the comment i left on the "Japanese crimes" thread.
i was in fact going to delete it, in response to your reproach, but as you had quoted it in its entirety there didn't seem much point. Ouch

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Correct. You should not have. But it's done.
 
Consequently....Salah's infraction or the consequences of it... is not yours to concern yourself with. Other then to report  the original concern by PM, as per the CoC.
 
Iow. It was my action. Not yours.
 
So if you have a problem with that, want to discuss it further or even legitimately bemoan the action, take it PM to another staff member also as per the Co. Don't attempt to get into the business of moderating this forum. That's not your prerogative. And don't attempt to suggest through innuendo or other to include honest regret that it should not have occurred. Because that also is not yours to determine. Nor is it yours to display in open forum..as that would suggest your now attempting to discredit my authority and the individual who gave it to me. And you don't want to do that.
 
But carry on with a response to Nick's query if it's your wish. But I suggest you provide more then accusations of incidents. If there is veracity then cite sources. Then the discussion can be logically analyzed and debated..rejected or accepted..but more importantly, will demonstrate your capable of analytic discussion and not what might be discerned by others as inflammatory rhetoric.
 
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OK Azita, tell us everything you know about Allied atrocities


Oh! Nick.

It seems that this would inflame some of the members here, mentioning these atrocities seems to be a greater sin than the crimes themselves.

I already feel bad about Salah a din, i should not have responded to his challenge.

I don't want to be flippant and just cut and paste the comment i left on the "Japanese crimes" thread.
i was in fact going to delete it, in response to your reproach, but as you had quoted it in its entirety there didn't seem much point. Ouch

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OK Azita, tell us everything you know about Allied atrocities
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What of this man?

I was trying to post a picture of Idi Amin, but I am having technical difficulties.Cry
 
Yup he was a real corker eh.
 
 
 
 


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 14-Jan-2013 at 19:04
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Obama & Gaddafi by LZ-128, on Flickr
Muammar Gadaffi - a brutal dictator who killed hundreds of his own people and supplied the IRA with weapons
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Good choice.
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