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    Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 00:23

If you were the defense minister of an Axis of Evil country how would you structure your defense force to deter, or defeat, a US intervention. Defeat doesn't have to mean complete destruction of US forces, just making them withdraw is plenty.

Assume you have a reasonable but not vast budget and reasonable but not unlimited access to good stuff.

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 00:54

North Korea has the right idea, get nukes and ICBMs.

Then again so does Syria. Secretly help the US by providing facilities for the CIA to interrogate/torture Al Quaeda suspects out of the reach of human rights groups and US law.

 



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  Quote Riain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 02:11
I think a mix of ballistic and cruise missiles would be the go, and use them from the outset aginst airfields and ports. I'd also get a few subs and place them in spots where they could sink some pre-postioning ships and those giant fast transport ships, the tanks etc on those are fully loaded with fuel and ammo and would go up like fireworks with an anti-ship missile or 2. I'd also mount specforce attack on airbases with lots of tankers and transports. It would have to be a global effort, no half measures would do.
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  Quote Exarchus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 08:05
Submarines and nuke.

The problem is it's very expensive.
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  Quote Riain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 17:53
I don't think you need nukes, just both types of missiles so the defences against one can be evaded by the other. Lots of countries have a few subs, they have to be used. Perhaps parking one off Diego Garcia to attack the prepositioned ships there and landing a specforce for a small raid, ww2 SAS style.
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  Quote J.M.Finegold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 18:21
Originally posted by Exarchus

Submarines and nuke.

The problem is it's very expensive.


If only their submarines were as good as ours *shrugs*.  Even Soviet/Russian submarines preform dismally compared to ours.  They suffer from poor passive SONAR, and in general, louder.
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  Quote Le Renard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 19:30
If someone used the A-bomb we would see it on our radar and fire one off also... the counrty who shot at us would be destroyed. or any missle for that matter. 
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  Quote Riain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 22:04

A modern diesel sub is very quiet when just trolling along on batteries, but can't go anywhere fast. If you put near the mallaca striat for example it would hear the fast transport ships coming miles away and be able to fire off a salvo of antiship misslies such as exocet.

I think everyone who has fought the US since ww2 has done very little to take the war to them, thus the US has amazing freedom of action. For example in 1991 the coalition had the persian gulf packd with ships, inculding carriers and Marine transports. Iraq had 30 Mirage F1 wich could carry 2 exocet each, and knew when the deadline expired, why weren't they in the air and ready to do a mass dash down the Gulf firing at anything they could? Why didn't Iraq's FAC navy do the same, rather than waiting to be destroyed at their bases? Where were the scuds aimed at the airfields, aiming them at cities only got the coalition madder.

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2005 at 02:58

Covert infiltration forces into US soil with the cpacity to function as terroristic criminals on their own without support, this is the best option, directbattlefield confrontation for axis of evil countries is totally unwinnable.  Financial centers and famous stuff I would assume is already very well protected so go for stuff like shopping malls and schools. 

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  Quote Riain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2005 at 18:12
Provide these terrorists with army uniforms and call them saboteurs ww2 style. I'm a believer in he who would be strong everywhere is strong nowhere, thus lots of small specforce/terrorist attacks could tie down lots of US power projection forces uselessly. If widespead attacks tied up lots of tankers etc. then your home armoured divisions wouldn't be destroyed by USAF attacks, its all about reducing the pressure at home.
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2005 at 17:04

I do agree.
Get nuclear capacity and a decent submarine fleet.
On that way, the nuclear capacity will not be compromised in case of a preemtive strike.
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  Quote SonoftheUSA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2005 at 21:41

wow you guys are harsh but unrealistic

the real question is

"are you ready to make the US truly angry?"

those terrorist attacks of yours would spark unheard of patriotic levels, even the extremely liberal media would come around and with the media's support the US could do whatever they liked the rest of the world be danged

are you trying to get your Axis of Evil country flattened and salted

every time we hear more about those idiots who blow themselves up in Iraq my conservative friends get angrier...

leave the US alone if you know what's good for you

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  Quote Thegeneral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2005 at 21:59
Lol, SonoftheUSA, you make the US sound like a big bully.  We aren't; we are the enforcer of the world!
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  Quote SonoftheUSA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2005 at 22:23

enforcers yes...bullies if we need to be...whatever it takes

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  Quote SonoftheUSA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2005 at 22:24
or rather enforcers till made angry enough...then bullies
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  Quote The Canadian Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 12:40

If one nuke is launched and targeted an area, the world would be in CHAOS.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-May-2005 at 22:50
Whats the difference between an enforcer and a bully? The ones doing the enforincing feel like they are doing good, while the ones being enforced on feel like they are being bullied.
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