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    Posted: 23-Oct-2011 at 07:51
What do you think of Charlemagne, and how do you rate him.

Charlemagne (play /ˈʃɑrlɨmn/, also play /ˈʃɑrləmn/French pronunciation: [ʃaʁ.lə.maɲ]GermanKarl der GroßeLatinCarolus Magnus or Karolus Magnus, meaning Charles the Great; possibly 742 – 28 January 814) was King of the Franks from 768 and Emperor of the Romans (Imperator Romanorum) from 800 to his death in 814. He expanded the Frankish kingdom into an empire that incorporated much of Western and Central Europe. During his reign, he conquered Italy and was crownedImperator Augustus by Pope Leo III on 25 December 800. His rule is also associated with the Carolingian Renaissance, a revival of art, religion, and culture through the medium of the Catholic Church. Through his foreign conquests and internal reforms, Charlemagne helped define both Western Europe and the European Middle Ages. He is numbered as Charles I in the regnal lists of Germany, the Holy Roman Empire, and France.

The son of King Pepin the Short and Bertrada of Laon, a Frankish queen, he succeeded his father in 768 and was initially co-ruler with his brother Carloman I. It has often been suggested that the relationship between Charlemagne and Carloman was not good, but it has also been argued that tensions were exaggerated by Carolingian chroniclers.[3] Nevertheless conflict was prevented by the sudden death of Carloman in 771, in unexplained circumstances. Charlemagne continued the policy of his father towards the papacy and became its protector, removing the Lombards from power in Italy, and leading an incursion into Muslim Spain, to which he was invited by the Muslim governor of Barcelona. Charlemagne was promised several Iberian cities in return for giving military aid to the governor; however, the deal was withdrawn. Subsequently, Charlemagne's retreating army experienced its worst defeat at the hands of the Basques, at the Battle of Roncesvalles (778) (memorialised, although heavily fictionalised, in the Song of Roland). He also campaigned against the peoples to his east, especially theSaxons, and after a protracted war subjected them to his rule. By forcibly Christianizing the Saxons and banning on penalty of death their native Germanic paganism, he integrated them into his realm and thus paved the way for the later Ottonian dynasty.

Today he is regarded not only as the founding father of both French and German monarchies, but also as a Pater Europae(father of Europe)[4]: his empire united most of Western Europe for the first time since the Romans, and the Carolingian renaissance encouraged the formation of a common European identity.[5]

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2011 at 18:05
They don't call him great for nothing.
 
Consolidates western mainland Europe.....gets rid of pagans and beats back the hoards of Isalm. Worse loss is to the Basques. Draws with the Danes.
Not a bad week's work.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2011 at 04:06
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2011 at 09:27
Was "Charlemagne",project of Byzantine Empire?What did documents from those period(no replicas!) say about this?
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2011 at 09:57
Dunno never thought about their reaction Meden. Lemme do some work on that. Tis a good question.Thumbs Up
 
**Here some quick stuff courtsey of the NWE. And while I admit to being a poor generalist on the Great King this has prompted me to do some in depth research.
 
 
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The iconoclasm of the Isaurian Dynasty and resulting religious conflicts with the Empress Irene, sitting on the throne in Constantinople in 800 C.E., were probably the chief causes of Pope Leo's desire to formally resurrect the Roman imperial title in the West. He also most certainly desired to increase the influence of the papacy, to honor Charlemagne, who had saved him, and to solve the constitutional issues then most troubling to European jurists in an era when Rome was not in the hands of an emperor. Thus, Charlemagne's assumption of the title of Caesar Augustus, Constantine, and Justinian was not an usurpation in the eyes of the Franks or Italians. However, in Greece it was strongly protested by Empress Irene and the usurper Nicephorus I, neither of whom had any great effect in enforcing their protests.

The Byzantines, however, still held several territories in Italy: Venice (what was left of the exarchate of Ravenna), Reggio (Calabria, the toe), Brindisi (Apulia, the heel), and Naples (the Ducatus Neapolitanus). These regions remained outside of Frankish hands until 804 C.E., when the Venetians, torn by infighting, transferred their allegiance to the Iron Crown of Pippin, Charles' son. The Pax Nicephori ended. Nicephorus ravaged the coasts with a fleet and the only instance of war between Constantinople and Aachen, as it was, began. It lasted until 810, when the pro-Byzantine party in Venice gave their city back to the emperor in Byzantium and the two emperors of Europe made peace. Charlemagne received the Istrian peninsula and in 812 C.E. Emperor Michael I Rhangabes recognised his title.



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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2011 at 13:45
Main part of history today was reedited in this period.Somehow none knows amount of "documents" that
were forgery or even invented virtual history:events in your history books were literary invented!?!Look at one of them:
At about this time, the document known as the Donation of Constantine appeared, which, purporting to be the last will and testament of Constantine I grants to the Pope and his successors all authority, spiritual and temporal, in the Western Empire. He retained authority in the East. Subsequently acknowledged to be a forgery, this document nonetheless set out what served as the theory for centuries in the Roman Catholic world, that is, that the Pope exercises political as well as spiritual power and that all kings and princes derive their authority from the Pope. Technically, no one acceded a throne without papal blessings. Most of the time, the papacy lacked the military means to enforce its will but usually the threat of excommunication was enough (no ex-communicant could enter paradise). This model of church-state relationship actually reversed that practiced by Constantine himself, in which he was the ultimate authority and the church served the state. This remained the pattern in the Byzantine Empire.
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2011 at 02:32
Here we have more about Carolingian Empire:(interesting lectures about it)
http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/carolingian_empire.html

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2011 at 02:43
And again will stress here copy&paste activities about history.Final "cut" of forgeries was done with process of creation of nations in Europe and all around!"Romans" invented very powerful device for population control:history for their former slaves.Instructors for this came from Byzantine,therefore EU help them today and always:they have recreated Rome for those 2000 years and more!New virtual community of "equal" people in which "Romans" have highest cast and rest of us have to accept it!Enjoy the poke,hope will be interesting after provocation!Big smileBaby has to be born!
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2011 at 02:54
Let me trace the trace:
There are two Lives of Charlemagne available in translation. One, by Einhard, is an account written by one of Charlemagne's court officials, while the other, supposedly written by a monk named Notker "the Stammerer,". It was composed some years after Charlemagne's death and is considerably more anecdotal than the account of Einhard.
Einhart need link for your work!
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2011 at 03:02
King was analphabet but his servant was literature genius!?!And again will repeat the same pattern:Homer was blind,Jesus poor and Muhammad analphabetic!If Byzantine archives have survived till today maybe would have been found something about aliens also!But read something about Einhard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einhard
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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 11:35
I voted Great. I don't see any evidence for Genius, but then, how would one?
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 16:32
One poll choice is missing:virtual&invented!?!Uncle i know you admire written part and role in history of this person but...

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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 05:31
Nothing invented about him Meden. What you challenge as invented and or virtual is the recorded history history that surrounds him. But even if invented it is still great.Wink
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 13:35
Even if it is not "like" again will accept it cause character is "Charlemagne" in part of his name.Big smile
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Charlemagne helped establish village schools for children and poor adults if they wished. He ordered the monks of the church to copy all the known Greek and Roman texts from the Golden Age of Antiquity.      
He made Latin the common language of the empire.    
He allowed monks to copy religious texts using the vernacular Frankish language.
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