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    Posted: 16-Jun-2012 at 00:13
Maybe the Spartans and the Israelites really were connected. Tongue
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Does this coin found near Jerusalem prove that Samson lived... and that he did fight the lion?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2181404/Israeli-scholars-claim-uncovered-archaeological-evidence-Samson.html#ixzz22bJPTLFP
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Cool. Perhaps one day they will find an inscription bearing Samson's name, as they did with Goliath?
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Lots of stuff under that sand and rock...who knows? Assuming they don't annihilate each other in the meantime and turn the AO into radioactive glass.
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The Israelis and Iranians hate each other, but they're not stupid. They talk tough but won't risk another war as it would devastate both nations
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Great question.....below is a link to a dissertation which provides very strong evidence to suggest the opposite (that Greek mythology actually borrowed from the Hebrews).  Not only does it go through all of the similarities but also provides historical chronological comparisons to the two stories......

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/1970-3_131.pdf
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[QUOTE=Josiah08]Great question.....below is a link to a dissertation which provides very strong evidence to suggest the opposite (that Greek mythology actually borrowed from the Hebrews).  Not only does it go through all of the similarities but also provides historical chronological comparisons to the two stories......

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/1970-3_131.pdf[/QUOTE]
 
 
 
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That link is dead.
 
 
The main link on which the pdf might be located.... is one that could be considered a link that overtly and undluy prosletyzes a faith. Which is a Coc violation. So in future refrain from using it unless you can substantiate a direct nexus to the thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
 
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Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 15-Aug-2012 at 01:08
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I've got no problem with Christian websites (as long as the dissertation is relevant to the topic), but Josh should get the admins' permission first. This might clarify a few things for newbies:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32222&PID=679567#679567


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Originally posted by Josiah08

Great question.....below is a link to a dissertation which provides very strong evidence to suggest the opposite (that Greek mythology actually borrowed from the Hebrews).  Not only does it go through all of the similarities but also provides historical chronological comparisons to the two stories......
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/1970-3_131.pdf


I don't believe Josiah is representing this dissertation accurately. I've read it. Part of its conclusion is that -

"...no true comparison exists between Hercules' labours and Samson's feats. Neither man is the protype for the other, nor can any reasonable man hold the contrary view in light of the compelling nature of the argument."

The piece is quite clear in its conclusions that the two characters have seperate origins and histories, and that any similarity between them is purely superficial.

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Posts: 7936 		  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Aug-2012 at 19:26
Separate origins are a possibility. Perhaps there was an earlier mythical hero predating Greece and Israel (similar to Gilgamesh) whose deeds inspired both Samson and Hercules in the same way Atrahasis inspired Noah?

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Originally posted by Nick1986

I've got no problem with Christian websites (as long as the dissertation is relevant to the topic), but Josh should get the admins' permission first. This might clarify a few things for newbies:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32222&PID=679567#679567
 
Reread what I wrote.Wink
 
''So in future refrain from using it unless you can substantiate a direct nexus to the thread.''
 
He may or may not have been doing that...no way to tell as the link is dead. Giving him the benefit of a doubt I will presume the effort. But the fact remains he inserted an unauthorized link and such links may indeed represent an overt and undue attempt to proselytize. Which as we both know is a Coc violation.
 
I personally don't give a damn what faith it represents...I do and have slammed all (to include the faiths of the atheists and agnostics) if that violation occurs. Hence my objectivity in this manner is clear unless there's a direct nexus to a thread.... it wont wash in my creek.


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 15-Aug-2012 at 22:39
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Im confused. We can't post sources with links without permission even if it pertains to the topic?
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I'm confused. We can't post sources with links without permission even if it pertains to the topic?
 
That's not the issue. And yes of course we expect you to feel free to post links and references especially if they are germaine to the subject matter of the topic thread. The issue here is that a new poster... posted a link to a Christian Bible studies organization that allegedly inferred their was info/pdf with relevance to the topic. That's fine if he/she gets permission because of the nature of the parent link.
 
In this case the link was dead and as stated because of the nature of the parent; he should have obtained permission first. There are a number of reasons why.
 
 
1.The link might be conceived as I have already noted. As such these type links often degenerate into theological flame wars. Which will not be tolerated. And no..not all sensitive subjects or links are automatically deleted. As such they might however belong in a more appropriate sub forum. That's the purpose of: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=44 for example.
 
In the absence of comment from the admin-owner it then falls to a staff Mod to render a decision. That's their job.
 
 
2. This may have been a spammer-troller attempting infiltration. Under the guise of interest in the subject matter attempting to insert an apparently relevant link with an entirely different covert agenda(If this is not the case then I will render due apologies as necessary).
 
 
How do I know this? Experience.
 
 
 
So in the sense of premptive protection of the site I usually respond in the fashion I did. I dont have to justify it. But I do explain it further, in your case, to ensure you and others understand the intent.
 
 
 
 
We have had two recent examples of undue proselytization and or excessive nationalism that resulted in suspensions. I don't personally like that or necessarily doing it but the CoC is clear. And I will do it without a single qualm. Unfortunately and all to often new posters do not read the CoC. Nor do they read numerous other threads dealing with links. Nick has attempted to clarify this again and he gets the nod.
 
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Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 16-Aug-2012 at 01:05
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Posts: 7936 		  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Aug-2012 at 21:26
That's right. We encourage the posting of relevant links in topics, but won't tolerate personal site promotion unless the admins approve
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