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    Posted: 02-Sep-2011 at 17:09
You have already been answered Baal twice. And we can put aside the issue of anti-semitism as I do not believe that of you...I believe what I stated.
 
As for the rest, you seek to extrapolate your own view and or superimpose your view of the same, of what should be moral and acceptable, from that which is no doubt contextually based on the here and now; and not the era of what you are attacking.
 
Again you err in the most basic of fashions in attempting to contextually compare and contrast a modern individual viewpoint (and individual rejection of the same) versus one that according to it's practitioners, as reported in their history and development, was necessary to their cultural developement and societal practices.. as they developed.
 
It's an old trap Baal.
 
These practices that you would condone as murder and rape etc...from a 21st perspective.... were not in effect unacceptable to any culture of the era or even before. Will you decry Hammurabi or Sargon or the ancient Pharaohs and their written texts as well? For the practices were in large measure the same during their lifetimes and in practice by their adherents and civilizations as they developed.
 
So whether you accept it or not whether you are satisfied with the response or not....is immaterial. You will believe what you will. But individual beliefs, and to a greater or lesser degree biased beliefs at that, and superimposition of them into a historical discussion (be it religious or socio-cultural) without objective context... is a 1st year mistake.... not a graduate level recognition of the use of the method.
 
But by all means carry on. Your perogative. And mine is now, after three attempts, to see ya through this muddle is to move on.
 
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Why are deviating from my latest post then? I said that we could disregard the murder and rape as per the reasons you gave above, but my second question was not based on anything necessarily to either cultural prevalence or bare necessity such as war. Did Lot 'need' to offer his daughters to the people of Gomorrah? Such acts were repeatedly condoned in the bible itself so your argument of what was socially acceptable does not fit. Basically, I am asking what was the context which made these instances 'acceptable' in these parables and unworthy of commenting upon.
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Baal, have you considered the possibility Lot's daughters weren't his biological children but stepdaughters? When a widow remarried, her new husband assumed the deceased father's role. It's likely they, like their mother, were prostitutes, as demonstrated by their seduction of their drunken father in the caves near Zoar. Sodom was the biblical equivalent of modern Las Vegas, Soho or Amsterdam: a city of vice where sexual-experimentation was tolerated and prostitution was widespread.
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Baal:  "Was restoring the kingdom of Israel really worth killing and raping every single woman, old man and child that inhabited the land of Canaan? "
 
The raping part is your invention, and a convoluted bit of thinking, I must add. As to whether killing the Canaanites to restore Israel, God apparently felt it was necessary. Why do you expect to understand why, these many centuries later? Especially since you say you don't believe it anyway. Seems like a lot of concern over what you consider a 'fable'.
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Review my previous posts, I proved that rape occured, undeniably. I am merely contributing to the topic at hand, it doesn't matter whether the events transpired or not. The issue here is that the bible claims it happened and its followers believe that it did...
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So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
Judges 21:10
You said:
"I'm assuming you can also explain why they killed the non-virgins and kept the virgins for themselves? Btw, how did they know that those women were virgins? I'm sure they had time to ask the people of jabesh-Gilead whilst they were fleeing for their lives... No, they raped them, that's the only way to find out if a woman is a virgin, if she bleeds then she is, is she does not then she is killed"
 
That is certainly not proof. But speculation on your part. a bit bizarre, imo.
 
"No, they raped them, that's the only way to find out if a woman is a virgin, if she bleeds then she is, is she does not then she is killed"
 Absurd. I'm sure you can't really believe that's "the only way".  LOL
 
OK, line up for that rape ladies...
 
 


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