History of Genocide

So you speak the language, not know it.
As I said before:

" When I say have "knowledge of a language" I mean the ability to communicate in both speech and written form. In order to get any kind of language certificate (English, French, German.....) you are examined on both written questions and your ability of speech. (don't know if it's any different in Turkey)
So when I say I know a language I mean both, otherwise I say "I speak"."

Let's end this here.

Seko...

I commend u for ur efforts...However u keep trying to twist the results to ur point of view..
As i remember , i wrote the following...

### 1) Is there any UN resolution in favor of Turkey ( conserning the invastion of Cyprus ) since 1974 ??? An why not ???

2) Is there any UN Human Rights report in favor of Turkey about Cyprus ??

3) Is there ANY Human Rights report CONDEMNING the Cypriots of Greek origin for crimes against the Cypriots of Turkish origin , like the ones ur goverment used as an excuse for the interference , which became invasion ???###

Correct ???? I guess , yes , as they still r in page 4..

I have also added in page 5 : ### No Seko ...i dont want these ....Turkish testimonies=biased....Greek testimonies= biased.....the multitudes of newspaper men , may have been bribed from one side , or the other which makes them biased too....u name it u have it...

No...I want OFFICIAL documents from UN Organisations....An this window is not narrow ...its a wide open balcony , as UN are examining EVERY acusation and give the world their UNBIASED resolution..And besides , its not that smart from ur ( not personal ) side to boost for the UN plan for the unification of Cyprus , but denying everything else which UN have ruled against u...###

But of course i am sure u remember all these...

And what do u produce ???

U produce Resolution ## S/5950 ## But u fail to tell us that : ## UN Resolution No 193 or S/5868 dated 9 August 1964 in which the UN Secretary says..."The Security Counsil has authorized me to make an urgent appeal to the Goverment of Turkey to cease instantly the bombardment and the use of any milirary force of any kind against Cyprus and to the Goverment of Cyprus to order the armed forces under its control to cease firing immediately.."## that Turkish forces were bombarding the island , 25 days before....which explains whatever were the findings of UNFICYP , written in " S/5950 "....

And u keep on...with :
1) Source: Johnson Library, National Security File, NSC Histories, Cyprus. Secret.
2) 466. Telegram From the Mission to the United Nations to the Department of State
3) Source: Johnson Library, National Security File, Country File, Cyprus, Vol. 2. Confidential; Priority. Repeated to London, Nicosia, Athens, and Ankara.

So Seko , as u probably know ...these sources of urs ARE NOT UN RESOLUTIONS.... so , they do mot meet any of the requirments i have asked... Any source without the impartiality of UN , is of no consern of me...

But conveniently , as to now u r not giving any valid answers to my perivious questions , or to the ones that followed , which i remind u..

### 1) Is there ANY Cypriots of Turkish origin that fought alongside the Cypriots of Greek origin , against the British , for the freedom of the island ?? Any organisation ??? Did ANY Turkish Cypriot died for the freedom of the island ???

2) Did the Cypriots of Turkish origin colaborated with the British , against the indipendence of the island ??? ( please Seko , do NOT make any reference about how u were feeling safe under the British - safe as colaborators - .This bubble-gum has lost its taste a long time ago...find something new..) ###

Isk.

Iskstigator, the Un resolutions are only a few sentences long and cover two pages of short paragraphs dealing with reasons for having a UN peacekeeping force. No. 193 against Turkey's forces are mentioned. Now lets not play word games here. There was a history for those resolutions. A very long and serious history. What I presented was the reasons for the 1964 Turkish mission. Pure and simple. So I suggest that you read the history and come to your own understanding. The correspondence between US agencies are a true reflection of the situation at the time. Now if you want to keep harping on some mysterious resolution after 1974 that is your obsession. The US government pages are damning evidence of the Greek influence in Cyprus. If you chose to fanagle your obsession into this topic than you could do it with yourself. Or I could return to your vision on Rumi. Then we could both sound like broken records. 

 

Edited by Seko

Originally posted by Seko Iskstigator, the Un resolutions are only a few sentences long and cover two pages of short paragraphs dealing with reasons for having a UN peacekeeping force. No. 193 against Turkey's forces are mentioned. Now lets not play word games here. There was a history for those resolutions. A very long and serious history. What I presented was the reasons for the 1964 Turkish mission. Pure and simple. So I suggest that you read the history and come to your own understanding. The correspondence between US agencies are a true reflection of the situation at the time. Now if you want to keep harping on some mysterious resolution after 1974 that is your obsession. The US government pages are damning evidence of the Greek influence in Cyprus. If you chose to fanagle your obsession into this topic than you could do it with yourself. Or I could return to your vision on Rumi. Then we could both sound like broken records.

Seko...

Sorry , but i cant stop laughing...Its amazing , the ways u try to go around whatever i asked you. But u know , this here is not a bazaar... a suk ..Here we try to find things that sometimes are not so clear to the most.

So u think that u presented the reasons for 1964 bombardment , and the 1974 interference ....But u forgot obviously to present the reasons for the invasion , and u forgot to present the reasons for the "army" of illegal immigrants u brought into the island , and u conveniently forgot who fought alongside of the British between 1955 and 1959 against the Cypriots of Greek originn , acting as policemen and killing freedom fighteres , during the fight for the liberation of the island , and u kindly ask from all of us here to  suggest to the Cypriots to forget all these and present flowers to u .... Ur mockerry is beyond anything that i have seen ...

As for ur sourses....I hope that u know , that USA is acting politicaly according to its OWN interests .... So whatever a certain John Smith send as a report to the USA goverment , is of no concern to me ...I do not know his background , i do not know IF he was impartial and i dont know IF he was bribed or not ...

Same goes to every John Doe , who writes any report in favor of anyone , or in the process of making policy...

But this is our difference......U take virtually ANYONES paper that may say something in favor of ur excuses and smartly bypass all OFFICIAL documents that come NOT from persons , but from NATIONS ....as the Seciourity Council...

So , now i have an obsession...Good enough ...Call it what u like and whatever makes u feel good...

BUT STILL U FAILED TO ANSWER ANY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS....( which was absolutely expected..)

Isk.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Also there were the killings of Three Million Hindus in Bangladesh by the pakistani army.

Originally posted by Alparslan   You are very interesting personalities. Your inferiority complex against Turks made you sick. I advise you to calm down as soon as possible. Turkish people did not forget that terrorist leader of Ocalan has been arrested in Greek embassy in Kenya. Do you know the result of supporting terrorism? Look at Afganistan...... But international treaty, Lausanne Treaty, ratified by many states after the war say the contrary. But the realities are in fact just the contrary. It is really very hard to understand many Greek forumers but it is obvious that they are created by "professional" education masters. Greece state is abusing you, she distort the truths. JUST READ: http://www.hri.org/docs/lausanne/part2.html  "ARTICLE 59. Greece recognises her obligation to make reparation for the damage caused in Anatolia by the acts of the Greek army or administration which were contrary to the laws of war. On the other hand, Turkey, in consideration of the financial situation of Greece resulting from the prolongation of the war and from its consequences, finally renounces all claims for reparation against the Greek Government." AND FOR YOUR STUPID GENOCIDE CLAIMS: " "Lausanne Treaty: Part V PART V. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS. SECTION I. PRISONERS 0F WAR. ARTICLE 119. The High Contracting Parties agree to repatriate at once the prisoners of war and interned civilians who are still in their hands. The exchange of prisoners of war and interned civilians detained by Greece and Turkey respectively forms the subject of a separate agreement between those Powers signed at Lausanne on the 30th January, 1923. ARTICLE 142. The separate Convention concluded on the 30th January, 1923, between Greece and Turkey, relating to the exchange of the Greek and Turkish populations, will have as between these two High Contracting Parties the same force and effect as if it formed part of the present Treaty."   YOUR CRIMES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED BY GREEK GOVERNMENT. But as usual you still blame Turks. FORGERS........ YOU ARE FORGERS!!!!!!!

Whaaaat? This treaty was revoked onesidedly by Turkey in 1952!!! This is the source of the problem in the Aegean today, the fact that Turkey does not recognize any more the status that was agreed upon in Lauzanne!!! Are you serious by posting  this or is this some kind of a joke??
 


Edited by konstantinius - 20-Oct-2006 at 07:14

Originally posted by Alparslan Originally posted by Yiannis Originally posted by Alparslan It was my post!!! Those pictures were the facts and facts are hard to accept. You can delete the pictures and edit it if you think that it is not good to show massacred Turkish civilians but you have deleted the all post....... I know it was your post and ................ I know that you know it. I said it for other forumers to be better informed about the issue, otherwise they would not understand what was going on in the forum. I have posted a few pictures about massacred Turkish civilians, mass graves etc. I have also given a list of last massacred Turkish civilian list in two Turkish villages which was called Murat Aga and Sandallar on 15th of August 1974, 5 days before Turkish army's intervention to Cyprus. It was for you to better understand why Turkey had intervened to Cyprus. If everything was just the contrary and Turks were killing Greek civilians like this by state supported bandits; I wonder how "civilized word and UN" reacted. I wonder what could happen if there would be coup d'etat in Cyprus to annex the island with Turkey by the help of Turkish government ruled by colonels? Here you are last Turks with their ages who lost their lives in Cyprus on 15th August 1974....... Emine R�stem (38) Ay�e Bayram (8) Sezin R�stem (15) Mustafa Bayram (6) Mustafa R�stem (13) �erife Bayram (1) Erbay R�stem (12) Mehmet Osman (82) Sibel R�stem (10) Z�hre Mehmet (80) Raziye Hasan (75) Nadire S�leyman (70) Mustafa Hasan (48) Enver H�seyin (65) Havva Mustafa (40) Hasan Sad�k (84) T�rker Mustafa (16) Sevim Arif (15) Tacay Mustafa (13) Seval Arif (12) Zalihe H�seyin (70) H�seyin Arif (11) Ay�e S�leyman (47) Y�ksel Arif (10) Dinavaz S�leyman (16) G�ksel Arif (8) Zalihe S�leyman (15) �eniz Arif (5) Emine S�leyman (14) Hayriye Arif (4) Aliye S�leyman (12) Dervi� Sad�k (70) Havva S�leyman (11) Havva Dervi� (60) G�ltekin S�leyman (9) Hatice Dervi� (22) Rasime Osman (45) Fatma Mehmet Tavuk�u (35) Sezay Osman (16) Mustafa Mehmet Tavuk�u (10) H�seyin Osman (95) Talat Mehmet Tavuk�u (8) Ay�e H�seyin Osman (88) Mustafa Mehmet (55) Emine Bayram (38) Ay�e Mustafa (50) Halil Bayram (11) Okay Mustafa (14) Eren Bayram (9) Dudu Ali Osman (70) �ifa Mehmet (60) Mehmet H�seyin (17) �lfet Mehmet Salih (70) Ertan H�seyin (14) Halil H�seyin (65) Erdin� H�seyin (12) Emine Halil (60) Naziyet Mehmet (50) Cemaliye Hasan (42) Rahmi Hasan (72) Rahmi Hasan (19) Emine Mehmet Salih (80) Ay�e Hasan (15) G�ldane Mehmet (44) Ersoy Hasan (12) Serpil Mehmet (19) Sevgi Hasan (10) Sevg�l Mehmet (18) U�ur Hasan (9) Mustafa Mehmet (17) �zcan Hasan (6) Semra Mehmet (14) Erdo�an Aziz (45) Hasan Mehmet (13) Fatma Erdo�an (38) Sava� Mehmet (11) Kadriye Erdo�an (11) Cengiz Mehmet (10) Zehra Erdo�an (9) Song�l Mehmet (6) Ahmet Erdo�an (8) Hasan H�seyin Ali �avu� (76) Ay�e Erdo�an (3) Aziz Fikri (11) Emine H�seyin (40) H�seyin Erdo�an (6) Seval H�seyin (19)    People should get informed what happened in Cyprus. http://www.bilimarastirmavakfi.org/kibris/Kibris03.html http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massacres/theperiod_muratag a.html

Compared to how many Greek-Cypriots? Hundreds? Thousands?


Edited by konstantinius - 22-Oct-2006 at 20:12

Edited by K__B - 22-Oct-2006 at 15:49

You wanna know another fact?

Originally posted by Seko Almost forgot all the good times I had with Isk.

Edited by Komnenos - 22-Oct-2006 at 19:08