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p,c,ma
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Topic: The scourge of god Posted: 13-Sep-2010 at 21:18 |
Martin Luther wasn't living till long after Atilla's death though.
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Posted: 12-Sep-2010 at 06:08 |
European scourge of God belongs to such as the words of martin luther the Turkish goddamn, was the scourge of god, also with Atilla Cengiz Han Cengiz Han came can not be compared is the greatest commander
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Posted: 11-Sep-2010 at 20:53 |
Yeah I'm sorry but I've never bought the story that Pope Leo convinced him to turn away.
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Posted: 11-Sep-2010 at 18:01 |
Originally posted by p,c,ma
Which doesn't make sense when you consider it was the sin of the people they were being punished for, not their personal ones, but people do stupid things. |
It is pretty sure, if one believes in Atilla at all, that he did not give a rats ass, about any gods, but only in gold, etc.!
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Posted: 10-Sep-2010 at 21:30 |
Which doesn't make sense when you consider it was the sin of the people they were being punished for, not their personal ones, but people do stupid things.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2010 at 20:54 |
Originally posted by p,c,ma
The name the scourge of god was given to Atilla by the church to explain why Rome could not beat them, and god did not protect them. So they said he was a punishment for their sins. |
And then certain Wester European Christians began to "flail" or beat their own bodies to contain the "sin" that allowed such terror to enter their nations!
Flagallation, spelling be damned, is a regular part of Christian history! As is "self mutilation!"
As is the "mutliation" of their enemies!
I.e., the taking of their "eyes", or "ears", or "hands" or "Penisuses" (damn the plural), or "hands", or "balls", etc.!
Sometimes even "self mutilation" was considered as sacred!
Edited by opuslola - 10-Sep-2010 at 20:58
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Posted: 10-Sep-2010 at 18:05 |
The name the scourge of god was given to Atilla by the church to explain why Rome could not beat them, and god did not protect them. So they said he was a punishment for their sins.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2010 at 19:11 |
What a wonderful claptrap of bull!
As an example from the above post;
"Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
flagellum -i n. [a whip , scourge; the thong of a javelin; a young sprout, vine-shoot]; plur. [the arms of a polypus]; fig., [the sting of conscience].
Dei means "of God"
I suspected flagellum could be translated into flail as well, but I am somewhat ignorant on such details. Anyway, the more important question would be whether what Juvaini wrote in Persian really translates to flail rather than scourge."
It seems most obvious to me that to "flail" would be an alternative word for "scourge!" Actually I would suggest that when one takes the decision to punish ones body, then one would use a "flail" or "Whip" or a "cat o'nine tales", etc., to beat their own bodies, and the after math of such a beating are the scars, which would, in my humble opinion, merely be called the "Scorge!"
But, as always, I could well be wrong, since I did not look up a single word!
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 16:51 |
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
flagellum -i n. [a whip , scourge; the thong of a javelin; a young sprout, vine-shoot]; plur. [the arms of a polypus]; fig., [the sting of conscience].
Dei means "of God"
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I suspected flagellum could be translated into flail as well, but I am somewhat ignorant on such details. Anyway, the more important question would be whether what Juvaini wrote in Persian really translates to flail rather than scourge.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 16:10 |
flagellum -i n. [a whip , scourge; the thong of a javelin; a
young sprout, vine-shoot]; plur. [the arms of a polypus]; fig., [the
sting of conscience].
Dei means "of God"
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 14:10 |
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
Chingiz Qaan called himself the "Flail of God," not the Scourge of God, according to one translation of his quotes.
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What's the correct english translation of 'flagellum dei' (Attila's purported byname) then? Not flail of god as well?
Juvaini used to be governor of Bagdad, a long time ago. And he seems indeed to be the primary source for that "god sent me to punish you" quote.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 13:54 |
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No actually I am pretty sure the title was originally given to Timur Lenk by Christopher Marlowe, and then much later after that it was erroneously applied to Atilla. |
correct.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 12:30 |
Did the Romans have any nickname for Attila? Or, was he just referred to as Attila? |
No, just Attila Rex Hunnorum
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 06:56 |
Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian
"Excuse me for living, Attila."
--Line from a T.V. show I saw years ago.
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Should continue as
" .....and excuse me speaking to you like my existence is not enough."
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 04:35 |
Did the Romans have any nickname for Attila? Or, was he just referred to as Attila?
"Excuse me for living, Attila."
--Line from a T.V. show I saw years ago.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 22:59 |
Chingiz Qaan called himself the "Flail of God," not the Scourge of God, according to one translation of his quotes.
I think Attila's Scourge of God title comes from a 16th century
medalion, which may have gotten it from somewhere else. I don't think
he was called by that earlier.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 22:52 |
What's Juvaini?
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Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 13:54 |
Could it have been Juvaini? Really just courious, maybe I'll try and find out by myself tomorrow : ) .
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Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 11:40 |
Who knows? I don't remember every source I look into. This is something that I just know. You asked a question, I answered with full confidence in my answer, believe it or don't believe it, that's up to you.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 04:27 |
Originally posted by Feramez
That speech is known to be by Cengiz Han, but not with the scourge of god part you put in the begining. |
By what source?
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