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Topic: Are Armenian dead more important than Turkish dead? Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 19:25 |
uf..this story goes soooo far..... i doubt anyone would be persuaded that armenian genocide is imaginary.... whatever is the title of 1000 threads opened by fanatic turks....
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Posted: 07-Apr-2006 at 19:15 |
Originally posted by Komnenos
Thanks for bringing back old memories.
Yeah, ...the good old times.
Where have they all gone, akyncy, Yafes, ......???
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Well kommenos, they asked for it so i bumped an existing one, instead of re-opening it. All people who asked for it, here start/continiue discussion further.
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Posted: 07-Apr-2006 at 19:09 |
Thanks for bringing back old memories.
Yeah, ...the good old times.
Where have they all gone, akyncy, Yafes, ......???
It's like AE's graveyard in here.
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Posted: 07-Apr-2006 at 18:12 |
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 17:32 |
Originally posted by Artaxiad
I beleive in freedom of expression, but...
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.....but freedom of expression is not the point. Ok, it may be a law of any country, and noone foreigner can change the laws of a state theoretically. We've got to accept everything as it is. But the point is the image of Switzerland's or any European country's best-selling image of "freedom", while performing this kind of legislation: Using a non-illuminated historical issue as a political attitude with ruling not to claim on the issue with denials or any other comments.
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 12:34 |
Holocaust deniers are also punished in Europe. Why should it be any different for Armenian Genocide deniers? Soon, Germany will pass a motion officially recognizing the Genocide, and the Turkish Prime Minister is threatening Schroder.
you can say that after germany has recognised it.And not that the "genocide"idea was rejected in switzerland 3 tiimes
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 10:02 |
I beleive in freedom of expression, but...
Holocaust deniers are also punished in Europe. Why should it be any different for Armenian Genocide deniers? Soon, Germany will pass a motion officially recognizing the Genocide, and the Turkish Prime Minister is threatening Schroder.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=2005 0505&hn=19171
By the way, Yusuf Halacoglu is not just some Genocide denier. He is the ''leader'' of all deniers...
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 16:04 |
Originally posted by YAFES
Originally posted by Yiannis
Turkish historian Yusuf Halacoglou is wanted by the Swiss justice because while giving a lecture in Switzerland, he refused that the Armenian Genocide ever happened.
According to Swiss law, refusal, or justification of Genocide or crimes against humanity are punishable with imprisonment of 1-3 years or by monetary fine.
The Swiss national assembly has recognized the Armenian Genocide in 2003. The Swiss district attorney has resembled the denial as similar to the denial of the Jewish Genocide.
Halacoglou has asked in the past to re-open the issue, fearing it may cause trouble in the future EU-Turkish relations. Recently, France and Holland have asked again from Turkey to reconsider its stance on the issue.
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That's not surprising.
Switzerland; the utopia of "democracy".
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I won't be surprised if we never see that man again!
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 15:56 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
Originally posted by Yiannis
Halacoglou has asked in the past to re-open the issue, fearing it may cause trouble in the future EU-Turkish relations. Recently, France and Holland have asked again from Turkey to reconsider its stance on the issue.
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Freedom of expression !!!!!
We are asking them to reconsider their stance on the issue.
There was not an Armenian genocide. There is not an authority in Turkey to accept this. People will never accept it. Mission impossible.
Adamlarin Avrupa'ya girecegiz diye kicina girersek olacagi bu. Bu devlet satilmis adamlarin elinde onlar ne derse kabul mu edecek? Olan Turk milletine olacak.... Allah belalarini versin.
Bu Isvicre'ye hemen missilemede bulunmamiz lazim.
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Alparslan edit that post or translate it you could get banned.Anyway we did answer to switzerland.It is probable that the new TCK will contain a law that forbids saying that there was an armenian genocide under any economical proof.(which is anything)
and alparslan for you the exact translation would be;
bu sefer gtn sikecez millet dmann
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 14:21 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
We are asking them to reconsider their stance on the issue.
There was not an Armenian genocide. There is not an authority in Turkey to accept this. People will never accept it. Mission impossible.
Adamlarin Avrupa'ya girecegiz diye kicina girersek olacagi bu. Bu devlet satilmis adamlarin elinde onlar ne derse kabul mu edecek? Olan Turk milletine olacak.... Allah belalarini versin.
Bu Isvicre'ye hemen missilemede bulunmamiz lazim. |
If we had the power, opportunity and loyal government men to retaliate Switzerland, our government wouldnt be begging to be European today. But unfortunately, we are forced to pay the lack of these terms with our prides...
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 13:39 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
Halacoglou has asked in the past to re-open the issue, fearing it may cause trouble in the future EU-Turkish relations. Recently, France and Holland have asked again from Turkey to reconsider its stance on the issue.
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Freedom of expression !!!!!
We are asking them to reconsider their stance on the issue.
There was not an Armenian genocide. There is not an authority in Turkey to accept this. People will never accept it. Mission impossible.
Adamlarin Avrupa'ya girecegiz diye kicina girersek olacagi bu. Bu devlet satilmis adamlarin elinde onlar ne derse kabul mu edecek? Olan Turk milletine olacak.... Allah belalarini versin.
Bu Isvicre'ye hemen missilemede bulunmamiz lazim.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 12:04 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
Turkish historian Yusuf Halacoglou is wanted by the Swiss justice because while giving a lecture in Switzerland, he refused that the Armenian Genocide ever happened.
According to Swiss law, refusal, or justification of Genocide or crimes against humanity are punishable with imprisonment of 1-3 years or by monetary fine.
The Swiss national assembly has recognized the Armenian Genocide in 2003. The Swiss district attorney has resembled the denial as similar to the denial of the Jewish Genocide.
Halacoglou has asked in the past to re-open the issue, fearing it may cause trouble in the future EU-Turkish relations. Recently, France and Holland have asked again from Turkey to reconsider its stance on the issue.
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That's not surprising.
Switzerland; the utopia of "democracy".
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 11:48 |
Turkish historian Yusuf Halacoglou is wanted by the Swiss justice because while giving a lecture in Switzerland, he refused that the Armenian Genocide ever happened.
According to Swiss law, refusal, or justification of Genocide or crimes against humanity are punishable with imprisonment of 1-3 years or by monetary fine.
The Swiss national assembly has recognized the Armenian Genocide in 2003. The Swiss district attorney has resembled the denial as similar to the denial of the Jewish Genocide.
Halacoglou has asked in the past to re-open the issue, fearing it may cause trouble in the future EU-Turkish relations. Recently, France and Holland have asked again from Turkey to reconsider its stance on the issue.
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 09:02 |
What about the items that they had?By the way,you are right,we could not be able to tell the diffrence by looking at their clothes
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 16:32 |
Originally posted by akyncy
One can by lookinh at the things they had with them,and the way they dresed |
Artaxiad's whole point, from what i understand, was that you couldnt tell apart most Turks and Armenians in the Ottoman Empire because they dressed very similar. Therefore it would be difficult to differenciate between a dead Turk and a dead Armenian.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 09:11 |
No, I said that one can not be able to differenciate... but who knows.
One can by lookinh at the things they had with them,and the way they dresed
After all I wrote, you are still convinced that a genocide didn't happen? What am I talking... You are a proud Turkish nationalist. And as we say it in Armenian, ''kayli avedaran ge gartam'' (I'm reciting the Bible to a wolf)
Ypu are right,you listed tour facts and i listed mine,i should not have concluded it like that
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 22:22 |
so you are saying that we re-dressed and ree- organized the bodies to make them look like turkish graves? |
No, I said that one can not be able to differenciate... but who knows.
During the tehcir many armenians died.But not at the level of a massackre.Not two million.Not raped and killed on government order |
After all I wrote, you are still convinced that a genocide didn't happen? What am I talking... You are a proud Turkish nationalist. And as we say it in Armenian, ''kayli avedaran ge gartam'' (I'm reciting the Bible to a wolf)
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 11:26 |
Are there any real differences between Turkish and Armenian bodies or bones? Turks, Kurds and Armenians used to wear similarly and looked alike. Armenian women back then did not look Christian at all. The Ottoman Empire had heavy Islamic influences, so the ''chador'' was imposed in the Asiatic part of Turkey. This means that if the body of a woman wearing a chador was found in a mass grave, one can not conclude that the body is from a Muslim... I can go on and on.
so you are saying that we re-dressed and ree- organized the bodies to make them look like turkish graves?
We cannot deny that the huge quantity of bones found around Deir Zor in Syria (which was a ''destination point'' for the Armenians who took part in the death marches) were Armenian. Even Bedouin Arabs remember all this.
During the tehcir many armenians died.But not at the level of a massackre.Not two million.Not raped and killed on government order
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 00:04 |
And can you please answer to our theory of hidden graves?I would like to hear your answer Artaixad,you allways have good answers,and i need them in my debate |
Are there any real differences between Turkish and Armenian bodies or bones? Turks, Kurds and Armenians used to wear similarly and looked alike. Armenian women back then did not look Christian at all. The Ottoman Empire had heavy Islamic influences, so the ''chador'' was imposed in the Asiatic part of Turkey. This means that if the body of a woman wearing a chador was found in a mass grave, one can not conclude that the body is from a Muslim... I can go on and on.
We cannot deny that the huge quantity of bones found around Deir Zor in Syria (which was a ''destination point'' for the Armenians who took part in the death marches) were Armenian. Even Bedouin Arabs remember all this.
Here are some other pictures of the Turkish protest in Washington. http://www.sarkissianmason.com/denial/
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 14:55 |
[QUOTE=eaglecap]Interesting now some Turks in America are claiming the opposite. "Armenians-Greeks killed three million Turks" I really do not know what the actual number of Greeks and Armenians who were killed and if it has been exaggerated or not. But, the idea of the Greek and Armenian minority killing three million Turks sound like revision history.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/[/QUOTE]
Come on E.Cap dont u see them ? They r smiling..., they r happy , they r natural born jesters ....So they r joking...U dont have to be surprised ....just have a good laugh...and turn the page.
In the end , that is all about...
Isk.
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