Hellens-possible origin of

 Who are Hellens
Herodotus.
Book 1, Introduction and Chapter 1. titled
KLIO
Translated by George Rawlinson,


http://www.galileolibrary.com/ebooks/eu04/herodotus_page_3.h tm

THESE are the researches of Herodotus of Halicarnassus, which he
publishes, in the hope of thereby preserving from decay the
remembrance of what men have done, and of preventing the great and
wonderful actions of the Greeks and the Barbarians from losing their
due meed of glory; and withal to put on record what were their grounds
of feuds.
According to the Persians best informed in history, the
Phoenicians began to quarrel. This people, who had formerly dwelt on
the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean
and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they
say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the
wares of Egypt and Assyria. They landed at many places on the coast,
and among the rest at Argos, which was then preeminent above all the
states included now under the common name of Hellas. Here they exposed
their merchandise, and traded with the natives for five or six days;
at the end of which time, when almost everything was sold, there
came down to the beach a number of women, and among them the
daughter of the king, who was, they say, agreeing in this with the
Greeks, Io, the child of Inachus. The women were standing by the stern
of the ship intent upon their :
quote:
______________
This people, who had formerly dwelt on
the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean
and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they
say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the
wares of Egypt and Assyria. They landed at many places on the coast,
and among the rest at Argos, which was then preeminent above all the
states included now under the common name of Hellas.



Quote:
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------

This people ,who had formely dwelt on shores of the erythraean Sea ,having migrated to the Mediterranean ....,avantures,voyages..wares of Egipt and Assyria ....They landed at many places on the coast ...now under the commonn name of Hellas .
------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
This people i.e no named tribes from Erythrerian lans origin
what had got one of it's name's what they claime as their national
name of Hellens as far as they arrived at someone else space

 e can read word MIGRATION because it is the verb "move"appiaring here .In my language SELI is MOVE ,SELJENJE is MIGRATION.Also a question WHY that word ? LET's put the thinks on this way.I'd move from my country in U.K. ,and English people are eye witnesses of my immigration on their soil.English language is my witness as well becouse English people as civilizated people has registrated me like that,like immigrant.May something simmilar had happened one's up one time back in my country spaces ,where were one people were leaving already there ,at the times when some tribbes have had arrived ,so called "HELLENS"
Knowing that Hellene is with meaning Shine and Hellens as Shining people
and knowing that one word have more then one meaning
I am grounding meaning of the word Hellens as standing for Migrants or Immigrands because of this word's with the same rooth's in my Macedonian language :
As for the Hellens~migrants in my language we have a werb like
K/SELLO
' /SELLO -village (Polises , )
' SEL -
*L->*O (palatalisation )
'/ SEL
SEO -(SEDNAL) -v. to sit;to live ;to stay

*SEL-SSEL-ZSEL-ZASEL :-ZA SEDNAL

maybe from that werb we have got the word ZA SEDNAL what could stand for to it to stay ,to live





but we do have the word Ela for come or come here
and more of it and in the language of the Greeks it is the same word
with the same meaning
Ella -come or come here .

 

regards

Originally posted by Aeolus Dont you guys over there, have anything better to do than go and copy/paste from your propagandistic sites, without even saying your personal opinion?  I see your intent is to go and post your propaganda to as many forums you can and then dissapear. http://archives.vmacedonia.com/6857.htm At least are they paying you good?

Im sorry I do forgot to add
that this is my perosnal  opinion , and so fare all over the holly net
mostly i do speak with my self only , waithing for some  time waister to talk with

First of all I suggest you start quoting someone that CAN translate what he reads instead of this twit

According to the Persians best informed in history

Herodotus, doesn't say that. He clearly uses the words:

"Perseon men nun oi logioi"
 that means:
"The Persian wise men"

NO reference to best informed as you think.

This people ,who had formely dwelt on shores of the erythraean Sea ,having migrated to the Mediterranean ....,avantures,voyages..wares of Egipt and Assyria ....They landed at many places on the coast ...now under the commonn name of Hellas . ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- This people i.e no named tribes from Erythrerian lans origin what had got one of it's name's what they claime as their national name of Hellens as far as they arrived at someone else space

Do you understand what you're reading??????
The "This people........... of Hellas"
has NOTHING to do with the Hellines, Herodotus is repeating what the Persian wise men told him about the origin of the Phoenicians and NOT the Hellines.

The rest of your post, and comparing Hellinic words to your Slvo-Bulgarian language is nonesense.

You should start off with explaining why you still use the Cyrrilic alphabet and then attempt to make connections.

I see that you call all ideas that doesnt fit with yours as "propoganda", and all people who dont agree with you as "brainwashed". Bad mentality...

Sorry to disagree once again but, I just have to.
Posting historic FACTS is the smart way to go.
Bad mentality, is posting whatever you find that suits your twisted cause of attacking what you're unable to apprehend.

Some scientific facts.....that cannot be denied , by anyone , either Makendonski , or Turanian..

Greek mtDNA


In numerous recent studies, the mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly Caucasoid with only infrequent presence of "erratic" sequences from non-Caucasoid sources. Mitochondrial DNA ("mtDNA" is inherited from one's mother and is thus a good way to establish the maternal ancestry of a population.

The most comprehensive European-wide study of mtDNA is [1] in which 125 Greeks were sampled among thousands of Europeans. The Greeks and the Albanians appear in the "Mediterranean-East" category of the study. Greeks tested belonged overwhelmingly to the Caucasoid-specific haplogroups ("Seven Daughters of Eve" popularized by Bryan Sykes' book).

The "erratic" sequences include a Sub-Saharan African (L1a) sequence, which was derived from the Albanian part of the sample [2]. The other two sequences non-attributed to a European founder are members of haplogroups prevalent in Asia, M and D. Thus, the total percentage of erratics in the Greek sample was 1.6%. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.

It is sometimes argued that the Greeks absorbed large numbers of Negro slaves or immigrants. There is no evidence of such an event in Greek mtDNA. If it ever took place, it was so limited in scope that not a single sequence in a total of 125 could be found.

The number of non-European sequences in the rest of Europe is also small, while in the Near East it is about 5%, only slightly larger. One can easily verify that Sub-Saharan African admixture (L sequences) has been detected in Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway and Iceland - 0.6%), Southeastern Europe (Bulgaria/Romania - 0.5%), Central Mediterranean (Italy and Sardinia - 1.7%; mostly in Sardinia), the Mediterranean West (Spain and Portugal - 3.7%), North Central Europe (Poles, Czechs, Germans, Danes - 0.9%), North Western Europe (Britain, Ireland and France - 0.4%). In another recent study [3] on Norwegians, an L2 Sub-Saharan African sequence was found in the sample of 74 Norwegians (1.4% Sub-Saharan admixture). Finally [4] showed 0.5% to 1.2% introgression of Sub-Saharan African genes into the European American gene pool.

The main conclusion to be drawn from these studies, is that Caucasoids of European descent have negligible traces of non-Caucasoid maternal admixture. Sub-Saharan African traces of such ancestry are found at levels of about 1% in many populations. But not in Greeks(a).


References
Richards et al., Tracing European founder lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA pool. American Journal of Human Genetics, 67, 1251-1276. Online paper and supplementary data in Vincent Macaulay's home page.
Michele Belledi et al., Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations, European Journal of Human Genetics, 8, 480 - 486 (01 Jul 2000)

Giuseppe Passarino et al., Different genetic components in the Norwegian population revealed by the analysis of mtDNA and Y chromosome polymorphisms, European Journal of Human Genetics10, 521 - 529 (23 Aug 2002)

Esteban J. Parra et al., Estimating African American Admixture Proportions by Use of Population-Specific Alleles, Am. J. Hum. Genet., 63:1839-1851, 1998
(a) This author does not believe that there is anything wrong in principio with either African or other non-Caucasoid influences in any European population, including the Greeks.

Best regards..

Isk.

Aeolus

Propaganda nas nothing to do with my philosophy  .Propaganda  or  time waisting is something what I do not agree with ,and I  always will skipped over it as well. Specially at the forum messiges boards disscusions over different view is what make the forum don't you think  so ?

Please do not blame me for it .

In our case, the author of the topic is visiting different forums, posting the exact same topic you read here which is taken from a propagandistic site...nothing else!!!  No personal opinion posted from the author, no reply from his side to these who will comment on his topic as its obvious anyway in this topic. Plain and simple.

In this case some obligations what has came fwr has take a bit of my net time ,and I am sorry been behind

Fact that I am visithing different forums posting the exact text could mean that author would like to make some parts of his phillossophy more clear trought the conversations  facing the different options.

No personal opinion [/qoute] How do you mean that ? This should deny your blaming over me as [qoute] This people i.e no named tribes from Erythrerian lans origin what had got one of it's name's what they claime as their national name of Hellens as far as they arrived at someone else space [/qoute] iskenderani [quote] Some scientific facts.....that cannot be denied , by anyone , either Makendonski , or Turanian..

For the matter  I do not understand I can not take a part about your's post i and the part  about ,they're some research's given at this site as well.

saying something as subsaharian origin o the Greeks nation according of Dnk research made in Madrid and if you are interesting you could take a look and ask the author of the web-site about that .

Greek mtDNA

http://makedonika.com/

 

The rest of your post, and comparing Hellinic words to your Slvo-Bulgarian language is nonesense. You should start off with explaining why you still use the Cyrrilic alphabet and then attempt to make connections.

According to some think what happent

I am claiming that something else is nonesence like

naiming to my alphabet as Cyrilyc with out nice and strong arguments

naiming my languages ,and someone's else as  Slavo bulgarian ?

What Slavo's?

Those behind Carphatians ones ,what are living in to the theory of so called "South Slavic migration" ?

What Bulgarian ?

What Slavo-Bulgarian ?

We have got Ottoman Turks at the Balkan Peninsula for how long ?

Does the world remmember anything like symbiose between say Turkish and Greek language on the way that from both of them had become the very third one what will be the same for all the Turkish and all the Greek's population?

Is they're any  Turk-Greeks after those years ?

Than how came that we have Slavo-Bulgarian ?

My Macedonian  language and comparation what I am making out of it ?What part's are nonsence ?Can you pointed me as well as you pointed the lines at your previous posts?

Why you are talking of nonsence

can you explaine it as well as you are giving  it before?

Or maybe facing your self in the front of our language is nonsence by its self ?

Is it sound for the  roman letter H written as X in my language nonecence ?

Is  it's bisonante forms of Ks nonesence ?

Fact's as a smartest way you say...

Isn't it a fact that hellens are imigrant's at the Balkan Peninsula ?

I do not think so

Fact is that some different tribes have had arrived at the Balkan where they had  the "nickname "of Hellenes .

Why ?

Because ,no one had made an evidence  in the history that Hellens had arrived

.All we have is amount of differencies :

-Acheans what  have had arrived

-Dorians what have had arrived

-Ionians what have had arrived

-Eolians what have had arrived

but

Hellens had NOT been arrived .

never ever

Why ?

As simple as  that  There is NOT Hellenistic motherland ,or we do not know jet ,from where Hellens had come at the Balkan peninsula.

There in NOT Hellenistic Language,no body speak about it .Instead ,they are dialects only.

There is NOT Hellenistic anything before the tribes had arrived at Balkan peninsula.

After the tribes had arrived ,than we could ask ourselfs

Who are the Hellens ?

possible meaning for this word I have based on my Macedonian language and it's verb as a ground

Possible meaning what  you are provide is based on mythology

Edited by Homer MakeDonski

Aeolus

I will try again to explaine myself more clear

Topic closed,

Homer M, if you want to contribute, you're welcomed. If you want to copy/paste rants and then disappear from all inteligent discussion, not!

So far your only contribution to this forum is nationalistic copy/pasting!

Next time I'll reffer this to the moderators forum with the question of ban.