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    Posted: 13-May-2011 at 09:54
Obviously Egyptians and Tunisians are half way there. Morocco monarchy is adapting well to the new reality.
But I think as Libyans are showing, the armed insurrection is probably the only way to go against entrenched regimes such as Syria. For an average looking nerd, Bashir Assad turned into a bloody tyrant.
I think Syrians would be successful if they followed Libyan model. 
The same for Yemeni and Bahrain.
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Seriously, I think that this part of the world is going to turn red as the blood spills across the world!

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We must be very careful when dealing with the rebels. The liberators of today could easily become the tyrants of tomorrow.
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I have heard reports that America is playing a part in this period in the Middle East to thwart China's growing influence in the region.It was startling to see the exodus of 10,000 Chinesse workers from Libya when the unrest started there.There will be major strugles between them for influence in various parts of the world this centuary.
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Posts: 589 		  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2011 at 14:39
Originally posted by Nick1986

We must be very careful when dealing with the rebels. The liberators of today could easily become the tyrants of tomorrow.

In the worse case scenario. There is strong chance the new regimes will be better than previous ones. The fate of previous dictators will weight on the minds of the future wannabes.

Syria is interesting. A nerd (Assad) does not seem to be in control. The inner circle is calling the shots. At some point someone will blink and turn - from within - against that regime.



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All those countries are full with poverty and uneducated people.Expectations are big from masses,more than unreal.What do we do after they found "spring" goals lies?New "world jihad" against everything and everyone will happen maybe?Revolutions are like weather intervention:you never know will it rain or storm!
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As we have recently seen, it appears that problems are again beginning to effect the affairs of Lebanon, which was for a long time merely a vassal of Syria and terrorist groups.

A major change in the affairs of Syria, to a more virulent form of extreemism, might well push into the affairs of Lebanon, and thus act as a combustion zone for Israel, again?

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Originally posted by cavalry4ever



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We must be very careful when dealing with the rebels. The liberators of today could easily become the tyrants of tomorrow.

In the worse case scenario. There is strong chance the new regimes will be better than previous ones. The fate of previous dictators will weight on the minds of the future wannabes.
Syria is interesting. A nerd (Assad) does not seem to be in control. The inner circle is calling the shots. At some point someone will blink and turn - from within - against that regime.


Our politicians thought the same thing about Saddam, Pinochet and the Mujahideen. When will we learn?
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"Our politicians thought the same thing about Saddam, Pinochet and the Mujahideen. When will we learn?"

Possibly never? It seems to be a part of our jeans, Jewish ones to be sure! Laugh (Levi's! or Klein's)

Of course neither of these men really have to be Jewish! It is just the name, the profession and the country of origin of the names that result in the "laugh!"

Perhaps they were both from Lebanese Christian families originally?

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Our politicians thought the same thing about Saddam, Pinochet and the Mujahideen. When will we learn?

We used Saddam and Pinochet in the name of some more or less misguided policy and discarded them. The same applies for Noriega. Those were our puppets.
Al-Qaeda is a different beast. We created them in the name of punishing "Godless Soviets"  for Vietnam defeat, but they had they own agenda and outsmarted us.
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The rebels in Libya are using us for a similar purpose. Once they've used our weapons to overthrow Gadaffi they'll turn against us
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Couldn't agree more. I think that the intervention in Libya was stupid for a number of reasons. First Gaddafi was behaving, getting rid of his WMD program, he stopped supporting terror etc. Second the rebels are an unknown quantity for the most part, and their is evidence that they are al-Qaeda http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html.

In Syria, the conflict is purely a sectarian one, with Sunnis against Alawites.
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Originally posted by opuslola

"Our politicians thought the same thing about Saddam, Pinochet and the Mujahideen. When will we learn?"

Possibly never? It seems to be a part of our jeans, Jewish ones to be sure! Laugh (Levi's! or Klein's)

Of course neither of these men really have to be Jewish! It is just the name, the profession and the country of origin of the names that result in the "laugh!"

Perhaps they were both from Lebanese Christian families originally?

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Lebanese Christians with such last names? Dream on... Levi is a purely Jewish name and Klein is a German/Jewish name which basically means 'small' Smile
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