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    Posted: 25-Mar-2011 at 02:33
An extremely controversial topic in which many assign only to the monsters who were the Nazi's and while true; read some more about eugenics research well before that era.
 
and guess where most people do not know where it not only was advocated but then placed into public law. Note the name of prestigious institutions and persons. you will be suprised.
 
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2011 at 09:23
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Eugenics was born as a scientific curiosity in the Victorian age. In 1863, Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin, theorized that if talented people only married other talented people, the result would be measurably better offspring. At the turn of the last century, Galton's ideas were imported into the United States just as Gregor Mendel's principles of heredity were rediscovered. American eugenic advocates believed with religious fervor that the same Mendelian concepts determining the color and size of peas, corn and cattle also governed the social and intellectual character of man." 

 Charles Darwin was my favorite scientist until i saw on Discovery channel that he and his theory were

used for racial purposes.If we compare lot of truths before Hitler and now,eugenic ideas became normal

human way of cognitive practicing of life!Frightened I am where the world is going now!



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If I thought what happened in NAZI Germany was unique to those people in that place, I would not be writing of education and war. 

I would not blame Darwin for what was done with the information associated with him, but our desire to do good, and often difficult decisions we have to make.    Might you think it is better for retarded people to not have children?  I do.  If you knew you carried a genetic problem, would you risk passing the problem on to a child?  Is it better to sterilize males and females who have many casual sex partners and reproduce with no sense of responsibility,  or support their children on welfare, or let the children suffer malnutrition and other problems of poverty?   I think we need to be very careful about pointing a finger at someone else, and saying "those awful people".  

I study history by buying old books, and one of them is an eugenics book written by an a doctor in the US.  As I was reading it, I thought,  this book could have come out of NAZI Germany.   It is interesting to read, Germany was following our own intellectuals and researchers, and not the other way around.

Really how far are we from eugenics thinking, when we argue the blood line of Kurds , or which country had the best fighting men.  I am finding what males find interesting and worthy of discussion, and what they do not seem to find worthy of discussion, interesting.   What is all this concern about who is the best,  and blood lines, if not the thinking that leads to eugenics and war?  


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 04:03
Why did they charge Roman Polanski?Was this revenge for his movie"Tanz Der Vampire"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUZIKE8PRMA
 He just said that America after WW2 was "infected by vampire ideology he had defeated"?This was that you were searching for Athena? 

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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 05:30
They charged him for having sex with a minor female....whether he defeated the vampire culture is pretty well disproven...that crap is alive and well 40 years later.
 
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 09:21
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

An extremely controversial topic in which many assign only to the monsters who were the Nazi's and while true; read some more about eugenics research well before that era.
 
and guess where most people do not know where it not only was advocated but then placed into public law. Note the name of prestigious institutions and persons. you will be suprised.
 
 
 
I am surprised that there was no mention of Margeret Sanger and the early days of Planned Parenthood.  Sanger espoused numerous eugenics beliefs regarding blacks and routinely presented abortion as a means to further eugenics goals.
  
Panned Parenthood's eugenics philosophy extended until relatively recently. In the 1980s,  Planned Parenthood ran a program in Baltimore where low income women with multiple births could choose  "voluntary" sterilization.  About 250 blacks were sterilized, yet only 4 whites were.  Blacks later claimed that sterlization was aggresively presented with threats to cut off welfare, subsidized housing, report parole violations etc.


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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 11:57
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

They charged him for having sex with a minor female....whether he defeated the vampire culture is pretty well disproven...that crap is alive and well 40 years later.
 
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

An extremely controversial topic in which many assign only to the monsters who were the Nazi's and while true; read some more about eugenics research well before that era.
 
and guess where most people do not know where it not only was advocated but then placed into public law. Note the name of prestigious institutions and persons. you will be suprised.
 
 
 
I am surprised that there was no mention of Margeret Sanger and the early days of Planned Parenthood.  Sanger espoused numerous eugenics beliefs regarding blacks and routinely presented abortion as a means to further eugenics goals.
  
Panned Parenthood's eugenics philosophy extended until relatively recently. In the 1980s,  Planned Parenthood ran a program in Baltimore where low income women with multiple births could choose  "voluntary" sterilization.  About 250 blacks were sterilized, yet only 4 whites were.  Blacks later claimed that sterlization was aggresively presented with threats to cut off welfare, subsidized housing, report parole violations etc.


And you would prefer to enable these families to increase in size?  Really does the good of this outweigh the bad?  I believe children should have enough food, and decent housing and medical care, but I resent intensely males and females reproducing when they can support and care for the children without help.   I am in favor of sterilization when people reproduce irresponsibly, and replacing more than oneself and a mate is irresponsible even if the couple has plenty of money. 
I agree with the difficult decision China made to enforce one child per family.   The consequences of not doing so would have been far worse. 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 13:30
OK will repeat question again:Was USA changed after WW2 ideological?Eugenic idea of Nazi's was not adopted after WW2 with "vampires" used in scientific and intelligences services?I am just asking,not insinuating!
Do you know something about psycho depressions?Pimps are using this one in prostitution business?
  It  was very simple  to  create one of those adolescent girls could be used!Everything is possible if you
want to change someones destiny and have state structures in your arms!I can not deny only  obsession
of most of males with younger girls!

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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 16:37
Originally posted by Cryptic

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

An extremely controversial topic in which many assign only to the monsters who were the Nazi's and while true; read some more about eugenics research well before that era.
 
and guess where most people do not know where it not only was advocated but then placed into public law. Note the name of prestigious institutions and persons. you will be suprised.
 
 
 
I am surprised that there was no mention of Margeret Sanger and the early days of Planned Parenthood.  Sanger espoused numerous eugenics beliefs regarding blacks and routinely presented abortion as a means to further eugenics goals.
  
Panned Parenthood's eugenics philosophy extended until relatively recently. In the 1980s,  Planned Parenthood ran a program in Baltimore where low income women with multiple births could choose  "voluntary" sterilization.  About 250 blacks were sterilized, yet only 4 whites were.  Blacks later claimed that sterlization was aggresively presented with threats to cut off welfare, subsidized housing, report parole violations etc.
 
Yepper i had forgotten Sanger and yes it's odd she wasn't mentioned.
 
PP remains a closet supporter of universal eugenics everytime they assist in providing abortion services of any type.
 
But then the radical liberal and leftist elitist intelligensia...have always been bigots...frauds and hypocrits... even and as.. they deny it. And fall to their knees to worship their god socialism....chanting their rhetoric of classless societies and universal brotherhood....all the while.Wink


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Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

They charged him for having sex with a minor female....whether he defeated the vampire culture is pretty well disproven...that crap is alive and well 40 years later.
 
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I may be costuming a vampire show.  Any thoughts on what a good vampire should wear?  
 
I prefer the Van Helsing look myself. But then again anything period from Stoker's original would suffice...ie. 19th ce Victorian.


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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 16:50
Originally posted by medenaywe

OK will repeat question again:Was USA changed after WW2 ideological?Eugenic idea of Nazi's was not adopted after WW2 with "vampires" used in scientific and intelligences services?I am just asking,not insinuating!
Do you know something about psycho depressions?Pimps are using this one in prostitution business?
  It  was very simple  to  create one of those adolescent girls could be used!Everything is possible if you
want to change someones destiny and have state structures in your arms!I can not deny only  obsession
of most of males with younger girls!

 
The answer to the first question is yes and no...depends on which portion of the ideological mainframe you represent. Were cultural and social mores continuing to be loosened for example. Yes. As to your question reference the Nazi's you will have to explain it a bit further for me.
 
Depression is a clinic disease of the brain/mind and as such might easily be used to manipulate anyone who suffers from it if they are either gullible enough or their clinical prognosis has allowed then to be manipulative moreso then normal....due to the acueness or chronicity of their condition.
 
Tricky stuff that depression.
 
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2011 at 22:01
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And you would prefer to enable these families to increase in size?  Really does the good of this outweigh the bad?  I believe children should have enough food, and decent housing and medical care, but I resent intensely males and females reproducing when they can support and care for the children without help.   I am in favor of sterilization when people reproduce irresponsibly
Eugenics has never appealed to me.  If one can advocate sterilization due to potiential "social problems", what about sterilizatuion for potentialy "dangerous" socio political beliefs (your perhaps).   One thing I do know is that it is always easier to be the sterilizer than the sterilized. 
Originally posted by Athena

and replacing more than oneself and a mate is irresponsible even if the couple has plenty of money.  
Actually, it is needed.  People are living longer and need the economic activity of a larger number of younger people to support their 401ks to say nothing of social security.  Of course genuinely wealthy people are excepted, but these are very rare.  I suppose one could advocate euthanizing the uhmmm....  "use eaters" among the elderly.  
Originally posted by Athena

 I think we need to be very careful about pointing a finger at someone else, and saying "those awful people".   
Do street gangs use similar (though not as sophisticated) syntax to justify their criminal actions?
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

But then the radical liberal and leftist elitist intelligensia...have always been bigots... even and as they deny it.
I agree competely.   I find this quote especially interesting...
 
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."   -Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble
 
Just substitute "politican" for "minister" and the beat goes on....


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In 1977, Roman Polanski raped a 13-year-old girl....
  But trial was started 30(more than 25) years after which is suspicious too much!?!This do not means he was not actor in this show concerning screenplay inside "Rosemary's baby".Polanski is researcher of animal inside human bodies.I was always concerned how much of that were his personal experiences.But he was also first one that have announced the world that evil was crossing the ocean.Rest was spoken above.
   During last 50-60 years most of the Nazi's public gathering and political programs were adopted inside
modern states as their  native.Way  of thinking,Machiavellian,was adopted also.No matter where the bombs are falling,that is Our National Interest!"Deutschland(=X)uber alles" become most known to all!
Is X above all also USA slogan today?(Japan,China,Russia,...)Man there are no place above for all!Confused



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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 16:59
If any think the way your proscribing... their probably still a minoirty representation...as I have no solid empircal evidence that would indicate the way of the Nazi/Machiavellian is common in North Texas or NM.
 
Polanski was a rapist and child molestor and fame has protected him.....his actions can't speak for the mass....but he would not do well where I live. In fact he wouldn't do at all. He'd be in prison with the rest of the pedaphiles.
 
Of course there is always the NWO and Illumanati to consider.


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 19-Apr-2011 at 22:33
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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 22:03
Cryptic, I chose to be sterilized, and encouraged my son and daughter to do the same when they had enough children to replace themselves and their mates. 


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