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    Posted: 24-Mar-2011 at 14:44
I would be grateful for any information on the true d'Artagnan more formally known as Charles Ogier de Batz de Castelmore, Comte d'Artagnan .

The "d'Artagnan Romances" by Alexandre Dumas are based on a fictional account of his life called "Gatien de Courtilz de Sandras". These, though they are based on some facts, are mostly fictional, and wikipedia is delightfully vague on the subject(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Batz-Castelmore_d'Artagnan).

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How fascinating. I never knew D'Artagnian was based on a real person
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maybe this story will help your further search for your identity:
ttp://www.awesomestories.com/flicks/the-musketeer/the-real-dartagnan
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Thanks I looked at that but it was badly done.

He said that only Aramis and Athos were real people, but in fact Porthos was also a real person.

Also he seems to like to draw his own conclusions.

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From your Wiki link...found this worthy of note.
 
 
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Not only were Athos and Aramis real people, but so were Porthos, D'Artagnan, and even Cyrano de Bergerac! All their true histories are very interesting, and well worth the study. This subject happens to be my specialty, and I have dedicated the subjects on my Swashbuckling Website, and particularly on this page:  edited by Moderator. 
 
 
Subjects on there include:
THE REAL D'ARTAGNAN
THE REAL MUSKETEERS (ALONG WITH TREVILLE, THEIR CAPTAIN)
ALEXANDRE DUMAS, AUTHOR
PAUL FEVAL, MUSKETEER AUTHOR
AUTHOR HOAX? (THIS SUBJECT IS REAL INTERESTING!)
THREE D'ARTAGNAN'S (INCLUDING AN EXTEMELY DETAILED CHRONOLOGY OF 17TH CENTURY FRANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MUSKETEERS!)
CYRANO DE BERGERAC
MILADY (THE REAL EVIL AGENT OF CARDINAL RICHELIEU FROM THE PAGES OF HISTORY!)
GATIEN DE COURTILZ DE SANDRAS (AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIRS OF D'ARTAGNAN)
RALPH NEVILL (TRANSLATOR OF D'ARTAGNAN'S MEMOIRS INTO ENGLISH, AND HIS VIEWS)
DONAREE THE MUSKETEER (DETAILS ON MY OWN NOVEL)
17TH CENTURY BIOGRAPHIES
MUSKETEER STORIES
ACTUAL MUSKETEER LETTERS!
ROBERT LOUIS STEVENSON'S VIEWS ON DUMAS' MUSKETEERS!
 
Swing by if you have a chance, and enjoy!
 
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Originally posted by musketeer1640

Not only were Athos and Aramis real people, but so were Porthos, D'Artagnan, and even Cyrano de Bergerac! All their true histories are very interesting, and well worth the study. This subject happens to be my specialty, and I have dedicated the subjects on my Swashbuckling Website, and particularly on this page:  edited by Moderator. 
 
 
Subjects on there include:
THE REAL D'ARTAGNAN
THE REAL MUSKETEERS (ALONG WITH TREVILLE, THEIR CAPTAIN)
ALEXANDRE DUMAS, AUTHOR
PAUL FEVAL, MUSKETEER AUTHOR
AUTHOR HOAX? (THIS SUBJECT IS REAL INTERESTING!)
THREE D'ARTAGNAN'S (INCLUDING AN EXTEMELY DETAILED CHRONOLOGY OF 17TH CENTURY FRANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MUSKETEERS!)
CYRANO DE BERGERAC
MILADY (THE REAL EVIL AGENT OF CARDINAL RICHELIEU FROM THE PAGES OF HISTORY!)
GATIEN DE COURTILZ DE SANDRAS (AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIRS OF D'ARTAGNAN)
RALPH NEVILL (TRANSLATOR OF D'ARTAGNAN'S MEMOIRS INTO ENGLISH, AND HIS VIEWS)
DONAREE THE MUSKETEER (DETAILS ON MY OWN NOVEL)
17TH CENTURY BIOGRAPHIES
MUSKETEER STORIES
ACTUAL MUSKETEER LETTERS!
ROBERT LOUIS STEVENSON'S VIEWS ON DUMAS' MUSKETEERS!
 
Swing by if you have a chance, and enjoy!
 
Thanks,
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@ unclefred: nope! Just a historian and author.
 
@ Centrix Vigilis: no problem; I undertand Big smile
 
If it's ok, I'll just post some information here, then.
 
D'Artagnan: Charles de Batz-Ogier Castelmore, sieur d'Artagnan: was born in Lupiac [in Gascony, France] around 1623. He came to Paris in about 1640, joining the Guards under Monsieur des Essarts, and became a Musketeer in about 1643. During the years 1646-1657, when the musketeers were disbanded in actual history, Mazarin used him as a courier [being recommended by M. de Treville himself!]. He was appointed second-in-command in 1657, when the company was reformed, to the absentee Captain-Lieutenant of the musketeers (a nephew of Mazarin's who had no interest in the work). Although he only held the rank of Lieutenant, he was the actual commander of the troops. He married in 1659, had two sons, and separated from his wife in 1665. It was indeed the real D'Artagnan who, in 1661, arrested Fouquet, though not nearly as dramatically as Dumas's depiction, and escorted him first to Angers, and later, after the former minister's trial, to Pignerol. He became Captain-Lieutenant of the musketeers in 1667 [second only to the king]; in other words, he became the commander of the musketeers, as the rank of Captain-Commander was reserved for the king himself. During Louis XIV’s invasion of the Dutch Republic, he was briefly governor of Lille in 1672. He was killed at the siege of Maastricht in March of 1673. He never lost his Gascon accent, which is detectable even in his letters. His spelling was atrocious even by the standards of the time. Dumas bases his character partly on his own imagination and from a semi-true work from 1700 A.D. entitled The Memoirs of M. d'Artagnan by Gatien de Courtilz de Sandras, from which he got the basis for the first few chapters of The Three Musketeers.
 

Athos was, in real life, Armand de Sillegue d'Athos d'Auteville. He was born around 1615, joined the musketeers at the age of twenty-five, and died in Paris in 1643, supposedly in a duel. He was a country nobleman, as the fictional Athos was, and was also a Gascon, as D'Artagnan was. He was cousin to M. de Treville, captain of the musketeers! Dumas claimed, in the preface to The Three Musketeers, to be nothing more than the editor of the memoirs of the Comte de la Fere, presumably the same memoirs Athos is seen working on during the course of The Vicomte de Bragelonne. These memoirs, however, has never shown up anywhere in history!

Aramis's real name was Henri d'Aramitz. Like his fictional counterpart, he was a churchman [although Protestant, as the fictional character was Catholic!]. He was a Bernais [southern Gascony]. He joined the musketeers in 1640, married in 1654, had four children, and died around 1674. He was a nephew to M. de Treville, captain of the musketeers from 1634-1642. He was never, so far as history can tell, involved with the Jesuits. A German named Nickel was Vicar-General from 1652-1664 and from 1664-1681 an Italian named Jean-Paul Oliva headed the order.

Porthos was Isaac de Portau: born at Pau in Bearn [southern Gascony]. He sought his fortune in Paris at about the same time as Athos, Aramis and d’Artagnan, but left in about 1650. However, when d'Artagnan arrived in the capital in 1640, Porthos wasn't a musketeer [as was Aramis and Athos], but was a guardsman in the same regiment that d'Artagnan found himself in! They became fast friends, and somehow managed to become friends with the other two at the time. Porthos became a Musketeer a year before d'Artagnan did.

If anybody would like for me to post anymore information on the Musketeers or their history, just let me know. Or, if you even have a question, I'd be happy to answer it to the best of my ability.
 
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