QuoteReplyTopic: The Lost World of Old Europe Posted: 22-Feb-2011 at 14:49
The oldest European civilisation was born in today's Bulgaria and Romania, 2000 years before the Greek civilisation.
In 1972, a day laborer stumbled upon a magnificent burial ground in what is now Bulgaria. Carbon testing dated the cemetery at 4500 BC, before the introduction of writing into what is now Eastern Europe. The deceased were buried with their heads all pointing north, although some of the graves held just cenotaphs of bones and other plots were empty of any remains at all.
I would consider the above, just another example of false 14C dating!
Before making such quick and false accusations you should at least make a suggestion which culture these artifacts belonged to then, if you don't consider them so old.
Maybe all those artifacts are just "Made in China"(PRC)?Plamenski everything is under control!?!This is normal allergic reaction of somebodies on ancient artifacts!?!
As a follow up to Med's ...........rather accurate summation of Opus's reaction, he's like that, all you have to do is mention C14 and he does really funny things.
Plamenski, he's going to be negative no matter what. I don't now have the time to view the vid. but I will later and get back.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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"Before making such quick and false accusations you should at least make a suggestion which culture these artifacts belonged to then, if you don't consider them so old."
"Why cant you tell us why exaclty you do not trust Carbon 14 dates? It would make your postion alot easier to understand."
I would like for someone of you to post other information concerning the finds mentioned in the above film?
If there exists only "one site" and if there exits at no other time, any similar art, or ceramics, then this site could just be a one-time tribe, with as it seems, that had very good ability in art and ceramics, that either died out from disease, or by warfare, etc.!
Just where are the prototypes for this type of culture? It did not suddenly just appear out of thin air?
When one of you can show me sites with more information, the dig reports, other scholars comments, etc., then I will again respond!
Ron, you've been hanging around Drgodzilla too much.
This isn't about one site or "tribe" The Cucutani civilization was one of the great Neolithic cultures.
Also one of my favs as far as ceramics go.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
When one of you can show me sites with more information, the dig reports, other scholars comments, etc., then I will again respond!
So now your an expert? I can hardly wait!! I'm tempted to go find dig reports myself.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
If there exists only "one site" and if there exits at no other time, any similar art, or ceramics, then this site could just be a one-time tribe, with as it seems, that had very good ability in art and ceramics, that either died out from disease, or by warfare, etc.!
Just where are the prototypes for this type of culture? It did not suddenly just appear out of thin air?
When one of you can show me sites with more information, the dig reports, other scholars comments, etc., then I will again respond!
There are ~3000 sites only in the Cucuteni culture, many of them in the form of fortified towns 7-5,000 years old and having up to 15,000 inhabitants (larger and older than the Summerian city-states).
The peoples who created these cultures has came from Anatolia and Levant, where the human civilizations first appeared. Agriculture and civlization was introduced in Europe by these ME Neolithic migrants:
Menumorut, you do have a habit of showing up at the right time.
Could you give us a little more, mainly on the dating.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
I was here,during my summer holiday 2007 on Black Sea.We have spent one Saturday there!According the dating everything seemed as people have left the table few minutes before.Artifacts are so well preserved and still functional?Habitats were left in rush those days?Why?Do you have more info about that Plamenski?
Menumorut, you do have a habit of showing up at the right time.
Could you give us a little more, mainly on the dating.
These are some marks for the Neolithic Balkans:
-Lepenski Vir site in Serbia, inhabited since 7000 BCE with interesting sculptures from that period.
-Sesklo culture, Greece, oldest discoveries from 6850 BCE. In the 6th millennium BCE, the first houses with two levels are found and there is also a clear intentional urbanism.
Vinča culture, Serbia and Romania mainly, 5500–4500 BCE, known for the oldest European script, the Vinča signs. The Tărtăria tablets, dated 5300 are the most important discovery.
-Hamangia Culture, Dobruja, Romania, began around 5250/5200 BC and lasted until around 4550/4500 BCE. Known for the famous statue “The Thinker”.
-The Varna Necropolis, Bulgaria, dated to 4700-4200 BCE, where one of the oldest and richest Neolithic gold treasures was found.
Cucuteni-Trypillian culture developed in Eastern Romania, Republic of Moldavia and Ukraine, is periodized like this:
Precucuteni I-III - 5100-4600 BCE
Cucuteni A1-A4 4600-4050
Cucuteni A/B 4100-3800
Cucuteni B 3800-3500
I can't help but notice the similarity of the Hamangia culture sculpture to the Cycladic culture.
Edited by red clay - 26-Feb-2011 at 11:13
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Sander, I would propose that if children were presented with such toys, as they are reported to have been presented with even in the Americas, then it is no big step for the usage of either the child's toy or either the child's toy became one used by adults!
What is obvious today, was just as obvious in the distant past!
The truth is, that children did not design these"toys"for themselves! It must have been adults that passsed on to their children, their live-styles!
Ummm, I don't think anyone's disputing that, What's your pernt?
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
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