Ancient Jews were Kurds

Really, I always thought it was an arabic proverb, guess I was wrong.

Originally posted by MediaWarLord Originally posted by Putty19 Arguments? What arguments? If you call these stupid remarks arguments, then Massoud Barzani is Michael Jordan's uncle, whatever you say kaka   There's a very good middle eastern (Arabic or Kurdish?) proverb that's very applicable to you.   The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

its not arabic or kurdish (lol) proverb but Turkish

original version is

• İt ürür, kervan yürür.
  • Literal translation: Dogs bark but caravan still moves on.
  • Meaning: Great achievements can't be prevented by insignificant people.

most of Turkish proverbs end with rhyme this is one of them

p.s. el yarrağıyla gerdeğe girmeye ne meraklısınız amk! git kendi atasözlerini (varsa tabi) yaz yoksa otur oturduğun yerde.


Edited by Rûm - 02-May-2011 at 08:53

Originally posted by MediaWarLord You're more ridiculous and naïve than I am. Your kind is still thinking that you're related to the ancient Assyrians who lived 2500 years ago. Modern Assyrians are so much mixed with other people (Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians), that they can be whoever they want.   If Assyrians are going to consider themselves as Turkmen everybody would believe them. If they say they're Arabs, nobody will deny that too. And if they say they're Kurds. a lot people will say they're right.   Once I saw an Assyrians wedding here in Europe and they played Kurdish music and danced Kurdish dances. With other words, modern Assyrians don't know who they are and have a very serious identity crisis. They're a product of all people in the region. You are very crazy, very radical, very lost in space!

You seem quite biased against Assyrians. Either way they don't necessarily have much of a link to the ancient Assyrians, it's just a misnomer and they are usually referred to instead as Syriacs, not Assyrians.

According to you Kurds come from the ancient Gutians, Kassites and Medians. I don't necessarily disagree with that although there is no evidence supporting it. yet most of us would still agree that Kurds are Iranic people and that seems to strengthen the hypothesis that they are in fact related to the Gutians and Kassites...etc. Yet what you do not understand is that just because the Gutians are ancestors of the Kurds (so to speak), they did not necessarily refer to themselves as such. What you have to prove is that Kurds, as a distinct people, existed in that era or were in fact a part of these Hurrian tribes. It does not suffice to say that they are genetically linked to these peoples.

Going back to the topic, how are Kurds related to Jews if they come from the Zagros mountains? Correct me if I am wrong but the Hurrian invasion was exclusive to Mesopotamia and had absolutely no effect on the Levant.

no need for "but  here"!Dogs are barking,caravan moves on!Media no need for showing biceps/triceps here!
In the beginning were three types of people:white,yellow and black.Was this citation of Thucydides, Herodotus or Plutarch could not find googling.As i said they were separated,by religion and distances,easy would have been ruled.Thats the main principle of All Empires,except this one!Check how the same with Putty you are first,than different!You would be surprised!

Edited by medenaywe - 01-May-2011 at 02:47

Originally posted by Putty19 Arguments? What arguments? If you call these stupid remarks arguments, then Massoud Barzani is Michael Jordan's uncle, whatever you say kaka

There's a very good middle eastern (Arabic or Kurdish?) proverb that's very applicable to you.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 30-Apr-2011 at 18:55

If you can't counter my arguments don't bother to troll this topic, please.

Baal, are you seriously continuing this discussion with this person? Can't you see his idiotic claims already? If you can't see that he's a joke already I don't know what to tell you, the whole thing seems like comedy show to me, in fact I feel really ashamed and embarrassed that I went back and forth trying to actually discuss with him

Gutians were Hurrian people. Kurdish and other scholars identify modern Kurds partly as descendants of the ancient Guti.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 30-Apr-2011 at 08:24

I just don't understand why you are saying that Ancient Kurds were of Hurrian descent. There is no historical or cultural proof for that. As far as I am concerned, Kurds are just an off-shoot of Iranian tribes that settled in the area. I think it is doubtful that they existed there before the Assyrians as you claim because then they would have formed some kind of notable civilization just like the Akkadians, Assyrians or Babylonians. The fact that we do not know much about when they arrived in the area stresses that they arrived after the Assyrians were dominant. What circumstances led to their arrival in the area and what was their relationship with their neighbours is in my opinion a lot more interesting than trying to prove that they have been in Kurdistan since before 3000 BC.

Originally posted by Baal Melqart We all agree that Assyrians are Semites and speak a Semitic language. What we don't agree with is your statement about the language evolving in Arabia which is ridiculous at best. Assyrian was closer to Phoenician/Hebrew so they are Semites of the Levant who also, as Putty said, mixed with eastern peoples like the Akkadians. The Arabic language evolved separately from the south of the peninsula. I also disgaree with your claim that Armenians are a mix of Assyrians and Gypsies.

Baal, take it from me, it's a waste of time to discuss anything with this guy, he's a joke.

Btw, that whole haplogroup chart he posted comes from Eupedia.com, for those that don't know, this website uses data with no proper references, in other words they just make up random numbers, this has been actually brought up in genetic forums and in my opinion, shows that their work tends to be shifted toward a racist view.