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    Posted: 19-Feb-2011 at 13:26
After further and due consideration, I agree that this thread is going in circles.  Closed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2011 at 09:37
Originally posted by mynoon

My facts are from documentaries an books by Chruchill and the home office they are not in any archives.
 
Chruchill and F.D.R. did not have a close friendship we all the what F.D.R. was saying about Chruchill and Britain behind his back. to the Russians.
 
 
You are going against known facts.  It's your responsibility to provide sources.  Verifiable facts from reputable peer reviewed sources.  I have provided mine, now it's your turn.  You can't just mumble some ideas and then pass them off as fact.  Or as we say in the states, "put up or shut up".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2011 at 01:09
Britain did not deserve better, but it's empire did if they USA had given Britain the money it wanted the killing, when it left it's empire would have been much less. There is still atleast 5 empires left in the world than the empires still have most of the power.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Feb-2011 at 00:53
Why did the decaying husk of imperialist arrogance  that was Britain deserve any better? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 21:07
My point is the title of this thread that all British people should hate the USA, have a right to because of what the USA has done to undermine Britain over the last 70 year. I am replying to the American's that say they saved Britain in WW1 and WW2. I hate the USA because of WW2, they used the war so they could get more power after it so did the USSR I hate both of them in WW2, in the 30 years after the war the USA used it's power to crush the old British and French empires not so the peoples of the them would have freedom and better lives but so no wetern power could stop the USA. Thanks for agreeing with me about how the USA treated Britain in WW2.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 16:02
Originally posted by mynoon

The fact remains that when Britain was in it's greatest hour of need the USA did little to help. F.D.R. did not want to help Britain thats why he went to Canada to ask them if they would not go to war to help Britain and just think about defending north America. The Canadians said no they will help Britain and so the did, the USA did alot to take back western Europe and those nation own the USA that but Britain and it's empire, apart for Australia own the USA nothing. The other fact is that the USA people did not want to help Britain that's far worse than just 1 man say we can't help them.
 
What exactly is your point? Okay, so Britain doesn't owe the USA anything. So what? Nobody attacked Britain on the forums. WW2 is over. Why the hostility?
 
I do agree that FDR treated Churchill very badly though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 12:26
My facts are from documentaries an books by Chruchill and the home office they are not in any archives.
 
Chruchill and F.D.R. did not have a close friendship we all the what F.D.R. was saying about Chruchill and Britain behind his back. to the Russians.
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The fact remains that when Britain was in it's greatest hour of need the USA did little to help. F.D.R. did not want to help Britain thats why he went to Canada to ask them if they would not go to war to help Britain and just think about defending north America. The Canadians said no they will help Britain and so they did, the USA did alot to take back western Europe and those nations owe the USA that but Britain and it's empire, apart for Australia owe the USA nothing. The other fact is that the USA people did not want to help Britain that's far worse than just 1 man say we can't help them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 10:34
Mynoon,  [isn't that the title of a popular British Soap opera?]  What follows is History.  Facts supported by Documents, not hearsay. 
 
 
The source for this is the National Archives-
 
 

Teaching With Documents:
Documents Related to Churchill and FDR

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A close friendship and the excellent working relations that developed between U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were crucial in the establishment of a unified effort to deal with the Axis powers. This working relationship was highlighted by many joint appearances and agreements that not only addressed the immediate needs of the Allies but also the planning for a successful peace following victory.

In late December 1941, shortly after entry of the United States into World War II, Churchill met in Washington, D.C., with Roosevelt in what became known as the First Washington Conference, code name "Arcadia." The conference placed first priority on the Atlantic theater and the defeat of Germany and Italy. On December 24, 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill delivered Christmas greetings to the nation and the world from the South Portico of the White House during the lighting of the National Community Christmas Tree. FDR closed his short message with the following passage, "And so I am asking my associate, [and] my old and good friend, to say a word to the people of America, old and young, tonight, -- Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of Great Britain." These words clearly describe the relationship that these two leaders of the "Free World" had struck.

FDR had begun the long-term correspondence that developed into a close working friendship with Winston Churchill in early 1940 while Churchill was still first lord of the admiralty. The initial interaction was to encourage a neutral America to take a more active anti-Axis role.

In July 1940 newly elected Prime Minister Churchill requested help from FDR, after Britain had sustained the loss of 11 destroyers to the German Navy over a 10-day period. Roosevelt responded by exchanging 50 destroyers for 99-year leases on British bases in the Caribbean and Newfoundland. A major foreign policy debate erupted over whether the United States should aid Great Britain or maintain strict neutrality.

In the 1940 presidental election campaign Roosevelt promised to keep America out of the war. He stated, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." Nevertheless, FDR wanted to support Britain and believed the United States should serve as a "great arsenal of democracy." Churchill pleaded "Give us the tools and we'll finish the job." In January 1941, following up on his campaign pledge and the prime minister's appeal for arms, Roosevelt proposed to Congress a new military aid bill.

The plan was to "lend-lease or otherwise dispose of arms" and other supplies needed by any country whose security was vital to the defense of the United States. This Lend-Lease Act, proposed by FDR in January 1941 and passed by Congress in March, went a long way toward solving the concerns of both Great Britain's desperate need for supplies and America's desire to appear neutral. Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the debate over lend-lease, "We are buying . . . not lending. We are buying our own security while we prepare. By our delay during the past six years, while Germany was preparing, we find ourselves unprepared and unarmed, facing a thoroughly prepared and armed potential enemy."

In August 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill met for the first of nine face-to-face conferences (http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/ww2con95.html) during the war. The four-day meeting aboard a ship anchored off the coast of Newfoundland at Argentia Bay was devoted to an agreement on war aims and a vision for the future. The document created at this meeting was the The Atlantic Charter, an agreement on war aims between besieged Great Britain and the neutral United States. The charter set forth the concepts of self-determination, end to colonialism, freedom of the seas, and the improvement of living and working conditions for all people. Many of the ideas were similar to those proposed by Wilson's Fourteen Points, but not accepted by our allies at the Versailles Conference at the close of World War I.

From 1941 when they first met until FDR's death in 1945, Roosevelt and Churchill sustained a close personal and professional relationship. Playwright Robert Sherwood later wrote, "It would be an exaggeration to say that Roosevelt and Churchill became chums at this conference. . . . They established an easy intimacy, a joking informality and moratorium on pomposity and cant, -- and also a degree of frankness in intercourse which, if not quite complete, was remarkably close to it." Roosevelt cabled Churchill after the meeting, "It is fun to be in the same decade with you." Churchill later wrote, "I felt I was in contact with a very great man who was also a warm-hearted friend and the foremost champion of the high causes which we served."

Two of the documents featured in this lesson, the typewritten drafts of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill's Christmas Eve greeting from the White House in Washington, D.C., on December 24, 1941, and the remarks of the president and Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands are housed at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library in Hyde Park, NY.



Edited by red clay - 18-Feb-2011 at 10:41
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Originally posted by opuslola

"To everything, thing, thing, there is a season.."etc.

Regards Unk!
 
 
I think it goes- To everything, turn, turn. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 10:15
You despised Walter Crumbcake??!?  That's un American!!!  Wink
 
FDR was the best friend the UK had.  He jepordized his entire presidency to assist Churchill.  To the point of facing impeachment if he was called down by the Congress.
 
Mynoon, someone is feeding you a bunch of BS.  Get your hands on a history of the early stages of WW2 written on a Uni level.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2011 at 19:47
Mynoon, as a famous American news-man used to say every week-day afternoon; "And, that's the way it is...etc."

Do you also know this man who was at one time called "the most trusted man in America?"

I also despise him, as well as FDR!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/despise

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I know he was F.D.R. I called him the guy in the wheelchair because I hate him. What F.D.R. said is not wishful thinking the documentary World at war said he said those words, about letting Britain die so the USA would have more power after the war.
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"To everything, thing, thing, there is a season.."etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2011 at 17:50
So there are good things about the Muslim  migration to GB!
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Actually the restaurant might well specialize in E. Indian food, or Iranian fare, or Arabic, etc.? Maybe even N. African, or Nigerian, etc.?

OK, here are the possibilities;

http://www.toprestaurants.com/london.htm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2011 at 12:41
Originally posted by mynoon

Well the USA waited to join ww2, so Britain would be crushed by Germany and bust after ww2, it worked. The USA leader at the time was the guy who could not walk and needed a wheelchair. He said to Chruchill I must wait to join the war, so my nation can get more power after the war. So he knew that after the war Britain would be the only free nation that could stand upto the USA that's why the USA waited. I blame Britain France and Russia for not stopping the Germans befor ww2 not the USA. But I do blame the USA for the slow economic recovery in Britain and France after the war, you gave more to Japan, then you did to Britain and France after the war. Also the USA takes all the credit for rebuilding Germany but Britain and France both has sectors and help with the rebuilding, which means that the USA also gave more money to Germany than to Britain after the war. Also there is the loan that the USA gave Britain after the war for this small loan Britain was forced to back the USA over the reserve currency and over Israel both things would not have been done if the USA had not given Britain that loan. I know I don't speak for all 84 million British people but most of them know nothing about history or politics and just know the USA by singers or actors. they have no right to say that every British person likes the USA when many don't.
 
 
You must be a 12 year old, and an illiterate one at that.  Most 12 year olds I know of, know that "the guy in the wheelchair" was Franklin D Roosevelt.
The rest of it is just childish drabble, nonsense.   Wishful thinking by a nationalist nutcase.
Why don't you stop bothering the people who really do know history and go clean up your room like your mum wants.
 
 
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A British Resturant voted best in world?  It's possible, if they fly the food in from New York City.Big smile
 
 
I live in the UK off and on.  I do a lot of home cooking.  It's either that or starve.


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Originally posted by unclefred

Spam, spam ,pork and beans, sausauge and spam, pork and beans and spam, spam, sausage and spam. 
 
 
[In his best falsetto Monty Python]  But I don't like spam.
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