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    Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 09:47

I thought of a soldier in about the 1200 - 1400 (not really existed).

Soldier has a pike in hand (about 2 metres long) and it would be thrown also, a round shield not in the hand but reserved on the hand, an axe, a long-sword and a dagger or a sable, then a bow on it's shoulder and about 100 arrows.

Could someone like that really existed?

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 15:00
Sounds like a Russian knight.
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  Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 17:06
Something like this soldier (Rus knight= boyar) ?

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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 23:50
how do u throw a 2 metre long pike in formation?
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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 11:53

The pole weapon seems more like a light long spear than a pike, and it's going to be quite awkward to throw--obviously the soldier would not be suited to skirmish roles because he would not have enough mobility to close in and launch the spear from very short range (a bit like the Roman pilum) except if he had a horse. Even then, it's still more logical to surmise that this soldier would have retained his spear and used it for shock action, reserving the other weapons for emergencies. Of course he could have fought with his bow instead and reserved all the melee weapons for the final charge against a disorganized enemy formation.

I think the man, described as such, is a bit too heavily armed. In real battles such men would be split into spear and bow units, whether on foot or on horseback. And a hundred arrows can be a bit too much--for practicality, most archers carried no more than forty or fifty arrows in their quivers and took replacement quivers from the rear as they emptied their first ones. The only major exception is horse archers who carried their spare quivers on their saddle so that they could carry up to two hundred arrows along as they made their initial approach to the engagement. Such a great immediate stock of ammunition was not generally regarded as necessary, though, since the large-scale, long-winded battles that demanded such a great expenditure of ammunition were relatively rare. Most fights were short, sharp skirmished where only five to fifteen arrows were discharged by each participant.

Only nobility or especialy rich professionals had any likelihood of carrying so many weapons as the man described in the beginning of this article. If they had some measure of discipline they would probably have fought in a layered formation with the first ranks fighting with long spears and the rear ranks wielding bows.

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 13:39
well, you make sense but i just thought of it...but it would be a good fighter...
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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 10:24

He would have been a good fighter indeed. But then, because he's a good fighter, he would know that carrying a spear and a bow at the same time is not really that practical so he would probably leave one of the two with an attendant while he went to fight with the other, going back to the attendant to swap weapons (or get replacements) as often as necessary. It can still be made into a logical model that way.

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 16:15
Yes TJK, exactly like that
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 04:11
But winner of The East, couldnt they carry both and just in a battle put the polearm into the ground....
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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 07:55
And let it get in the way of his fellow soldiers?
Remember, polearms are not small and flat objects like
many DnD players tend to assume. They're big, round,
long, and you stand a good chance of tripping on them
if you just put it down on the ground, not to mention
that when fighting in formation the spear might get
mixed up with the other men's weapons (or trip them!).
If you want to try sticking the butt of the spear into
the ground...well, just try. You'll soon find out that
you need something to hold the thing up
straight--nothing smaller than a forked staff or a
weapon rack. An attendant is a much better choice, and
a man with the resources to get such equipment usually
also has enough to hire one.

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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 08:27
Damn. I'm posting from a public computer and my post
suddenly gets lined up like that...
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 02:34
cool... im at school... and im not a DnD player
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 15:30

cool... im at school... and im not a DnD player

A shame......although Hyarmendacil has a point, most people don't see that weapons don't work like they do in the movies and some weapons you see would be just too unwieldy to work.

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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 16:39
Sounds ALOT like the Spartans, but with a differently shaped shield, and different type of spear. Not to mention the Spartans didn't throw them, since that would screw up the Phanalax. Thermopalae, the greatest Spartan achievement ever. They only had a Shield, Sword, and Spear. That fits the description, but a 2 meter long throwing pike?
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 23:04
and an decent ax...
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  Quote Arkhanson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 03:43

best is hoplite

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 16:07
axes are my favorite melee eapon yet the only people to ever use them and be famous for it are the Vikings and Egyptians methinks
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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 06:45
At least in most places and most of the time the axe was (and maybe is) more popular than the sword, partly because most axes used in war are the same utilitarian axes as the soldiers use to pitch their camp.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 17:36

Light infantrymen of Koguryo used axes as the main main hand-to-hand weapon.

Natives also used a lot of axes... tomahawks. Although they were usually European imported.

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 07:48
The Scythians also used light axes.
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