QuoteReplyTopic: Very ancient civilization found in persian gulf Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 13:45
Theory Points to Civilization Under Persian Gulf
Dec. 11) -- The waters of the Persian Gulf may be hiding a lost civilization that could change our understanding of human history, according to new research.
This huge fertile stretch of land may have been home to humans from about 74,000 years ago until about 8,000 years ago, according to Discovery News.
When the waters around them began to rise, these early humans may have migrated to what is now the gulf shoreline, founding new settlements there, according to a paper published in the December issue of Current Anthropology.
Over the past several years, archaeologists have uncovered new evidence of those shoreline settlements.
"Where before there had been but a handful of scattered hunting camps, suddenly, over 60 new archaeological sites appear virtually overnight," Jeffrey Rose of the University of Birmingham said, according to LiveScience.
"These settlements boast well-built, permanent stone houses, long-distance trade networks, elaborately decorated pottery, domesticated animals, and even evidence for one of the oldest boats in the world," Rose said.
Rose says such sophisticated settlements couldn't have developed so quickly, which is why he believes even older settlements lie beneath gulf waters. If true, Rose's hypothesis could offer a clue as to how and when human beings first departed Africa and settled in the Middle East.
This has long been a topic for debate, with some scientists saying that humans made the migration 125,000 years ago, while others put it closer to 60,000 years ago, LiveScience said.
The now-submerged slice of land would have been about the size of Great Britain, Rose said.
Since it would have received water from the rivers Tigris, Euphrates, Karun and Wadi Baton, it would have offered a fertile refuge from the nearby harsh deserts.
"I think Jeff's theory is bold and imaginative, and hopefully will shake things up," Oxford Brookes University's Robert Carter told LiveScience.
"It would completely rewrite our understanding of the out-of-Africa migration. It is far from proven, but Jeff and others will be developing research programs to test the theory," Carter said.
Rose admits that much work remains be done. So far, he has focused on archaeological sites on dry land and studies of geological history.
Finding some physical evidence beneath the waves of the ocean would be a major advance in proving that his theory is correct.
"We would need to find a submerged site, and excavate it underwater," Rose said, according to LiveScience. "This would likely only happen as the culmination of years of survey in carefully selected areas."
The waters of the Persian Gulf rose 8,000 years ago, perhaps because of the collapse of a huge glacial dam in Canada, according to Postmedia News.
This event caused water levels to rise across the world. This catastrophic event may have forced humans out of the Gulf basin and given rise to ancient stories such as that of Noah's Ark.
"Certainly, I think there is compelling evidence to suggest that both the flood and Eden myths may be rooted in these events around the Gulf basin," Rose said, according to Discovery News
I have at least one migration map, indicating this region is the point of mass migrations. Also I believe it was a Chinese scientist who said the Ice Age pushed humanity into a small area. I forget where this area was. I will look for verifying information as soon as possible.
Bahrain, has been suspected of being the Genesis of the Garden of Eden myth for at least 50 years or so!
It is nothing new!
Wow, and I thought there was not much interesting history behind this little corner of the world! I have heard of that theory but didn't think much of it, but after these new findings I'm starting to change my mind!
Interesting. Ive been reading a book, "Technology of the Gods The Incredible sciences of the Ancients". By David Hatcher Childress.It qoutes that for many years people have know of the ancient civilizations that once thrived in the mediterranean, such as the Osirian. And were very much real and did exist. To say that us as a species has such a short history, and that we developed only one course of major civilizations... well thats ridiculous, over time anythings possible. be logical.
Hello, all. I just found this topic, very interesting indeed. I have been collecting information about mining and trade routes in antiquity, I have noticed a correlation between megalithic sites and ancient economies. I believe megalithic sites the world over served as navigation, storage for goods and housing for people, and as well defended corridors in the ancient mining and trade industries. I think we too readily dismiss the tenacity and creativity of ancient civilizations and our forefathers. The neolithic and bronze ages were not so long ago on our entire historical timeline. I absolutely concur with Seth on this. Some of the earliest trade activities are evident from over 70,000 years ago in Africa, beads and shells were traded throughout the continent. Mining appears 40,000 years ago in Bulgaria and Swaziland in southern Africa. I have some info collected at https://sites.google.com/site/ancienttrenches/ancient-trade-routs
please do have a read, nny further insights or more information would be greatly appreciated. It is advert free and will remain that way, my only goal is to draw attention to the sophistication and technological advances in industry, trade, and defense as displayed by megalithic constructions.
Hello, all. I just found this topic, very interesting indeed. I have been collecting information about mining and trade routes in antiquity, I have noticed a correlation between megalithic sites and ancient economies. I believe megalithic sites the world over served as navigation, storage for goods and housing for people, and as well defended corridors in the ancient mining and trade industries. I think we too readily dismiss the tenacity and creativity of ancient civilizations and our forefathers. The neolithic and bronze ages were not so long ago on our entire historical timeline. I absolutely concur with Seth on this. Some of the earliest trade activities are evident from over 70,000 years ago in Africa, beads and shells were traded throughout the continent. Mining appears 40,000 years ago in Bulgaria and Swaziland in southern Africa. I have some info collected at https://sites.google.com/site/ancienttrenches/ancient-trade-routs
please do have a read, nny further insights or more information would be greatly appreciated. It is advert free and will remain that way, my only goal is to draw attention to the sophistication and technological advances in industry, trade, and defense as displayed by megalithic constructions.
Not a bad website, but what's your take on this underwater civilisation? Personally i'm doubtful this is Atlantis as Classical sources describe it being on a round island
I think a lot of archaeological sites are submerged under water or modern cities. The coast line has changed a few times in our past, it's been at both lower and higher levels than present. As for Atlantis, I leave for others to have an opinion. I think the story is still out there on that one. Atlantis and cities like it may well have existed in separate places and differing times, perhaps every region has had it's own Atlantis.
This is very interesting and id like u to keep up on it, but Atlantis wasn't just a great city like many have come to believe but rather an entire civilization, an empire, it conquered a older Greece not known by the ancient Greeks we know of, far before, The Osirians. I mentioned them before, and they apparently rivaled Atlantis, these two of many other ancient civilizations were very powerful and set up colony's around the world and maybe even further into space then we did. Its all very hard to take and many don't even consider, but without consideration for everything in every aspect there is no logical answer, think of it this way anything possibly imaginable (in a logical sense) in history for the past 300,000 years or even far more, humans have been doing things and they had tv's and radio's and all the things today. Just a process that keeps replaying in different scenarios.
What can crush mountains, move seas, change everything, and is the most powerful thing ever? "Time"
Over time anything is possible. So its already been. Get used to it.
This is very interesting and id like u to keep up on it, but Atlantis wasn't just a great city like many have come to believe but rather an entire civilization, an empire, it conquered a older Greece not known by the ancient Greeks we know of, far before, The Osirians. I mentioned them before, and they apparently rivaled Atlantis, these two of many other ancient civilizations were very powerful and set up colony's around the world and maybe even further into space then we did. Its all very hard to take and many don't even consider, but without consideration for everything in every aspect there is no logical answer, think of it this way anything possibly imaginable (in a logical sense) in history for the past 300,000 years or even far more, humans have been doing things and they had tv's and radio's and all the things today. Just a process that keeps replaying in different scenarios.
What can crush mountains, move seas, change everything, and is the most powerful thing ever? "Time"
Over time anything is possible. So its already been. Get used to it.
Do you know any more about the Osirian civilisation Seth? We started a topic on the subject and came to the conclusion they were purely mythical, being based on memories of ancient Egypt
The funny thing is, is that the Osirian, where considered the gods of the Egyptians, the Egyptians simply went from cave dwellers and simple farmers to great inventors and strategist..? no time of development between... They must have been given the knowledge from a older civilization, greater than themselves. how could the great civilization like Egypt do this in such a short period? they just could not in such a short period... The legends of Rama Empire and Atlantis are all the same, greater beings, almost god like cause of technology, and used it to advantage. Posing as Gods, but in reality much smaller weaker beings, like ourselves, just smarter. If America and other great country's went to war, nuclear war or chemical they'd wipe out the majority of the human population, leaving a new planet to restart, it only takes a good 5000 years for metals to return to the earth, and much less for plastic or other materials, leaving no sign of a time before, 5000 years! very short in the history of our species existence, not recorded history, if we existed 1millon years ago or more wheres all the history... burned, ravaged and destroyed by so called "Great leaders", more like people hiding the truth. Once years ago, existed a book called "the history of man over the past hundred years" in the library of Alexandria, burned by fanatical Christians in the early century's AD, later anything else found of the book and other great knowledge's were used to heat Muslim baths. In china the great emperor who built the great wall burned all past knowledge in china, saying he was the first, a god... knowledge is power these leaders knew that and used it, later burning books so that no others learn the secret of our past times... and gain the knowledge which they used to gain power... look many of the things up i wrote and research it yourself.
Most folks who are rabid "Atlantis fans get so wrapped up in the Island aspect, they neglect to pay attention to Plato's description of "The Ten Kingdoms". You couldn't have ten kingdoms on an Island of the size described by Plato, nor could you have a very large flat plane, being some 100 miles across.
We have to think of the island as a trading outpost. For the rest of it, look to South America. The evidence of an older civ. is there. Plato describes buildings composed of red and black stone. There are several sites on the South Amer. coast with ruins made from red and black stones. To find the civilization that built the Island trading post known as Atlantis, look to S America, most of what your looking for is there.
BTW, quite a few folks believe that the burning of the Library of Alexandria is the main cause of the information gap that exist today. Thus making it the most damaging act of vandalism known.
Also, some plastics have a life of some 20,000 years. Right now it's estimated that approx. 40% of the beach sand found at the oceans edge is............plastics. Source- New Jersey DEP.
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Hello all, interesting post. I've just returned from New York where I caught the Nomads and Networks exhibit of artifacts found in Kazakhstan. I am in agreement here with red clay. I think rather than looking at a city in particular we should focus on a global network of exchange in antiquities. There are fat too many unexplained coincidences and anomalies other wise. I have read also, red clay that some suggest north america was Atlantis and it did not sink but rather we lost contact. BTW thanks for making me a member of the week. I would have responded but was prowling about the antiquities halls at the metropolitan museum that week. I'm about half way through with a new book entitled Across Atlantic Ice. The book is informative though it is a bit dry. The information is well worth the read all the same.
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