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    Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 19:17
Originally posted by Seth

This is very interesting and id like u to keep up on it, but Atlantis wasn't just a great city like many have come to believe but rather an entire civilization, an empire, it conquered a older Greece not known by the ancient Greeks we know of, far before, The Osirians. I mentioned them before, and they apparently rivaled Atlantis, these two of many other ancient civilizations were very powerful and set up colony's around the world and maybe even further into space then we did. Its all very  hard to take and many don't even consider, but without consideration for everything in every aspect there is no logical answer, think of it this way anything possibly imaginable  (in a logical sense) in history for the past 300,000 years or even far more, humans have been doing things and they had tv's and radio's and all the things today. Just a process that keeps replaying in different scenarios.

What can crush mountains, move seas, change everything, and is the most powerful thing ever?
"Time"

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Do you know any more about the Osirian civilisation Seth? We started a topic on the subject and came to the conclusion they were purely mythical, being based on memories of ancient Egypt
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  Quote Seth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 15:51
This is very interesting and id like u to keep up on it, but Atlantis wasn't just a great city like many have come to believe but rather an entire civilization, an empire, it conquered a older Greece not known by the ancient Greeks we know of, far before, The Osirians. I mentioned them before, and they apparently rivaled Atlantis, these two of many other ancient civilizations were very powerful and set up colony's around the world and maybe even further into space then we did. Its all very  hard to take and many don't even consider, but without consideration for everything in every aspect there is no logical answer, think of it this way anything possibly imaginable  (in a logical sense) in history for the past 300,000 years or even far more, humans have been doing things and they had tv's and radio's and all the things today. Just a process that keeps replaying in different scenarios.

What can crush mountains, move seas, change everything, and is the most powerful thing ever?
"Time"

Over
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possible. So its already been. Get used to it.

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  Quote Drusin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 20:46
I think a lot of archaeological sites are submerged under water or modern cities.  The coast line has changed a few times in our past, it's been at both lower and higher levels than present.  As for Atlantis, I leave for others to have an opinion.  I think the story is still out there on that one. Atlantis and cities like it may well have existed in separate places and differing times, perhaps every region has had it's own Atlantis.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 19:57
Originally posted by Drusin

Hello, all.  I just found this topic, very interesting indeed.   I have been collecting information about mining and trade routes in antiquity, I have noticed a correlation between megalithic sites and ancient economies.  I believe megalithic sites the world over served as navigation, storage for goods and housing for people, and as well defended corridors in the ancient mining and trade industries.  I think we too readily dismiss the tenacity and creativity of ancient civilizations and our forefathers. The neolithic and bronze ages were not so long ago on our entire historical timeline. I absolutely concur with Seth on this.  Some of the earliest trade activities are evident from over 70,000 years ago in Africa, beads and shells were traded throughout the continent.  Mining appears 40,000 years ago in Bulgaria and Swaziland in southern Africa.  I have some info collected at      https://sites.google.com/site/ancienttrenches/ancient-trade-routs
please do have a read, nny further insights or more information would be greatly appreciated.  It is advert free and will remain that way, my only goal is to draw attention to the sophistication and technological advances in industry, trade, and defense as displayed by megalithic constructions.   


Not a bad website, but what's your take on this underwater civilisation? Personally i'm doubtful this is Atlantis as Classical sources describe it being on a round island
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  Quote Drusin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 18:42
Hello, all.  I just found this topic, very interesting indeed.   I have been collecting information about mining and trade routes in antiquity, I have noticed a correlation between megalithic sites and ancient economies.  I believe megalithic sites the world over served as navigation, storage for goods and housing for people, and as well defended corridors in the ancient mining and trade industries.  I think we too readily dismiss the tenacity and creativity of ancient civilizations and our forefathers. The neolithic and bronze ages were not so long ago on our entire historical timeline. I absolutely concur with Seth on this.  Some of the earliest trade activities are evident from over 70,000 years ago in Africa, beads and shells were traded throughout the continent.  Mining appears 40,000 years ago in Bulgaria and Swaziland in southern Africa.  I have some info collected at      https://sites.google.com/site/ancienttrenches/ancient-trade-routs
please do have a read, nny further insights or more information would be greatly appreciated.  It is advert free and will remain that way, my only goal is to draw attention to the sophistication and technological advances in industry, trade, and defense as displayed by megalithic constructions.   
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  Quote Seth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 21:30
Interesting. Ive been reading a book, "Technology of the Gods The Incredible sciences of the Ancients". By David Hatcher Childress.It qoutes that for many years people have know of the ancient civilizations that once thrived in the mediterranean, such as the Osirian. And were very much real and did exist. To say that us as a species has such a short history, and that we developed only one course of major civilizations... well thats ridiculous, over time anythings possible. be logical. 
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  Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 23:49
Originally posted by opuslola

Bahrain, has been suspected of being the Genesis of the Garden of Eden myth for at least 50 years or so!

It is nothing new!
Wow, and I thought there was not much interesting history behind this little corner of the world! I have heard of that theory but didn't think much of it, but after these new findings I'm starting to change my mind!
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 15:57
Bahrain, has been suspected of being the Genesis of the Garden of Eden myth for at least 50 years or so!

It is nothing new!
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 13:14
^ yes, that was what the article was saying, you live in Bahrain, go swim the in persian gulf and find the lost civilization lol
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  Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 07:13
This is extremely interesting! Could this be the origin of the Biblical flood myth?
 
It has been said that Eden was located somewhere in the Persian Gulf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden#Under_the_Persian_Gulf
 
 
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 19:46
Perhaps some of you have even read my views about early man coming out from the depths of what later became "seas?"

But, perhaps not?
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 15:58

could this be atlantis??

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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 15:52
I have at least one migration map, indicating this region is the point of mass migrations.  Also I believe it was a Chinese scientist who said the Ice Age pushed humanity into a small area.  I forget where this area was.  I will look for verifying information as soon as possible. 
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Evidence is mounting that the first human civilization outside of Africa probably evolved in what is now the Persian Gulf. Recent discoveries suggest that we're about to find a fairly advanced civilization sunk beneath the waters of the Gulf.

Archaeologist Jeffrey Rose has published a paper in Current Anthropology where he argues that we'll find some of the earliest human civilizations on Earth in what was once a fertile basin fed by clear streams and lush with greenery.

According to Live Science:

The Gulf Oasis would have been a shallow inland basin exposed from about 75,000 years ago until 8,000 years ago, forming the southern tip of the Fertile Crescent, according to historical sea-level records.

And it would have been an ideal refuge from the harsh deserts surrounding it, with fresh water supplied by the Tigris, Euphrates, Karun and Wadi Baton Rivers, as well as by upwelling springs, Rose said. And during the last ice age when conditions were at their driest, this basin would've been at its largest.

Then, about 8,000 years ago, melting ice sheets eventually led to a wetter climate that flooded the Persian Gulf basin. That is also the time when we begin to find incredibly well-developed civilizations on the Gulf shoreline - civilizations that seem to have sprung fully-formed, with advanced seafaring technologies, out of nowhere. Unless, of course, they came from sunken cities hidden beneath the Gulf waters.

Live Science continues:

The most definitive evidence of these human camps in the Gulf comes from a new archaeological site called Jebel Faya 1 within the Gulf basin that was discovered four years ago. There, Hans-Peter Uerpmann of the University of Tubingen in Germany found three different Paleolithic settlements occurring from about 125,000 to 25,000 years ago. That and other archaeological sites, Rose said, indicate "that early human groups were living around the Gulf basin throughout the Late Pleistocene."

 
 
 
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Theory Points to Civilization Under Persian Gulf
 
 
Dec. 11) -- The waters of the Persian Gulf may be hiding a lost civilization that could change our understanding of human history, according to new research.

This huge fertile stretch of land may have been home to humans from about 74,000 years ago until about 8,000 years ago, according to Discovery News.

When the waters around them began to rise, these early humans may have migrated to what is now the gulf shoreline, founding new settlements there, according to a paper published in the December issue of Current Anthropology.
Over the past several years, archaeologists have uncovered new evidence of those shoreline settlements.

"Where before there had been but a handful of scattered hunting camps, suddenly, over 60 new archaeological sites appear virtually overnight," Jeffrey Rose of the University of Birmingham said, according to LiveScience.

"These settlements boast well-built, permanent stone houses, long-distance trade networks, elaborately decorated pottery, domesticated animals, and even evidence for one of the oldest boats in the world," Rose said.

Rose says such sophisticated settlements couldn't have developed so quickly, which is why he believes even older settlements lie beneath gulf waters. If true, Rose's hypothesis could offer a clue as to how and when human beings first departed Africa and settled in the Middle East.

This has long been a topic for debate, with some scientists saying that humans made the migration 125,000 years ago, while others put it closer to 60,000 years ago, LiveScience said.

The now-submerged slice of land would have been about the size of Great Britain, Rose said.

Since it would have received water from the rivers Tigris, Euphrates, Karun and Wadi Baton, it would have offered a fertile refuge from the nearby harsh deserts.

"I think Jeff's theory is bold and imaginative, and hopefully will shake things up," Oxford Brookes University's Robert Carter told LiveScience.

"It would completely rewrite our understanding of the out-of-Africa migration. It is far from proven, but Jeff and others will be developing research programs to test the theory," Carter said.

Rose admits that much work remains be done. So far, he has focused on archaeological sites on dry land and studies of geological history.

Finding some physical evidence beneath the waves of the ocean would be a major advance in proving that his theory is correct.
 

"We would need to find a submerged site, and excavate it underwater," Rose said, according to LiveScience. "This would likely only happen as the culmination of years of survey in carefully selected areas."

The waters of the Persian Gulf rose 8,000 years ago, perhaps because of the collapse of a huge glacial dam in Canada, according to Postmedia News.

This event caused water levels to rise across the world. This catastrophic event may have forced humans out of the Gulf basin and given rise to ancient stories such as that of Noah's Ark.

"Certainly, I think there is compelling evidence to suggest that both the flood and Eden myths may be rooted in these events around the Gulf basin," Rose said, according to Discovery News
 
 
 
 
 
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