Prophets, Reformers and Heretics

Originally posted by azimuth how did Salman Al Farisi helped propagate the Religious/ Spiritual Culture of Persia far and wide??

I believe he means Salman Al Farsi, as for whether he hepled or not my knowledge is limited.


Edited by Behrouz

Originally posted by Oguzoglu Again: Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi was Turkish. It doesnt make him a Persian propogater or genetically Persian because he wrote mostly with Persian language. If that makes him a Persian, Saki, you are a British, since all your posts in AE are in English!

Sorry he was from a place in Iran called Rum or Rumi and he was persian, calling him Turkish is an insult, No evidence for Turksih and alot for Persian...

Originally posted by Seko He may very well have been Persian. But I hope you have more proof of that instead of labeling his birthpalce or intial lanquage as the sole arbitor of his heritage. The name of the empire he was born under then could just as well claim historical rights to his heritage. Was there an empire of Persia that he was born in? Otherwise, I do see the point that Persia can claim him as a nobel figure since he is now regarded as being raised in Persian zones of influence.

this labeling is what Turks use but we do not need to label him, he is Pesian because he was born there, and felt afiliation to this country. You need to claim how he isn't Persian him being born there is enough proof of him being Persian

Rumi belongs to the whole world, his works make him universal.

About him being a "Turk", well, Rumi has already answered that, I wish you guys read the man's works before claiming him, because all this you talk about isn't what he preaches, anyone can translate that picture(above)? It's not my skin.

I AM NOT

   Muslims! What can I do? I have lost my identity!
I am not a Christian, Jew, pagan, or Muslim.
I am neither an Easterner nor a Westerner,
   neither a land nor a sea person.
Nature can't fully account for me,
   nor can the whirling cosmos.
I don't exclusively belong to earth, water, fire, or air.
I am not of the invisible-ineffable, nor of the dust--
I am not a process or a being.
I am not of this world or the next, and deserve
   neither eternal reward nor eternal punishment.
I am not of Adam or Eve,
   not of the original Garden nor the final one.
My home has no address; my tracks leave no trace.
I am neither body nor soul--What can I say?
I belong to the Self of the Beloved.

I have laid all "twos" aside:
this world and that world are one.
I search for One, I recognize One,
I see One clearly, and I call the name of the One.
That unnameable One, the breath of the breath,
   is the first and last, the outside and the inside.
I identify no one except by "O That... O This!"
I am drunk on the cup of Love:
   here-now and everywhere-all-time have vanished.
I can't handle any business except celebration.

If I spend an instant without you,
that instant makes my whole life seem worthless.
If I can win one moment with you,
I will crush both worlds under my feet
as I dance in joy forever.

My Beloved Shams-i-Tabriz, I am living permanently
  intoxicated:
I have no more stories to tell except ones about drunks and
  parties.

In the end it doesn't really matter where he came from- I think thats what the great man himself is trying to say.
Turks, Iranians and Caucasians lead the way for the whole Islamic world. The main thing is not to get drawn into all the extremist crap that is destroying the real values of being a good human.
Amen
At least the Arabs are not claiming him. That would be too much!