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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2005 at 22:54

Originally posted by Molossos

Gazi, why can't Greeks have such features? We belong to the Indo-European family after all and it is not strange for a Mediterranean to be like that. The question is if original Turks can be like that since they should have mongoloid anthropological characteristics. However, there are blonde people in Turkey...

 

There were even blonde huns... WHY DO YOU GREEKS TRY TO GET GLORY WITH WRONG RACISM??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2005 at 19:08

Originally posted by Molossos

... We belong to the Indo-European family after all

first, hi all

second, there are several DNS studies who disagree with your statement

more of them say you have sub-saharian-asian origin

but about the topic: i saw blond greek, but he had painted hair, but it would NOT BE A MIRACLE if there are some natural blond greeks, like some1 wrote, the people who live or come from Balkan are so much mixed, that it is stuppid to search for "purity"

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Originally posted by phalanx

"because we are Romioi (= Byzantine Hellines) and our country is the one of Philip and Alexander".

wasnt it "Macedonians" ?

 

& you forgot to mention  that Macedonians & Greeks have very litle common, exept few times they made aliance vs common enemies

 

but i dont want to flood with unendless "paste-ings" on my first post

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2005 at 20:06
Originally posted by Gorgi Makedonski

first, hi all

second, there are several DNS studies who disagree with your statement

The several DNS studies from FYROM which you obviously mean, are considered jokes just like the people who still use them, since they have been refuted to death.

more of them say you have sub-saharian-asian origin

NEWSFLASH!!!!! The usual guiberish that you guys are  copy/pasting from your usual propagandistic site, in all the forums that you participate,  has been leveled from serious scientists. Too bad for you!!

& you forgot to mention  that Macedonians & Greeks have very litle common, exept few times they made aliance vs common enemies

Actually ancient Macedonians were part of Hellenic civilization unlike the FYROMIANs who were part of Slavic civilization.  

but i dont want to flood with unendless "paste-ings" on my first post

How's that? All that you FYROMIAN guys are doing in forums is nothing else than copying/pasting stuff from your propagandistic sites!!!  

Ah, You are so kind that you skipped the flood of propaganda 'paste-ings'  from your first post!!! Its sth unusual for you (plural) guys over there.  How can we reward you??

Just out of curiocity...after Homer and Gorgi which is it gonna be the next name of the famous Makedonski family and that we will have the honour to meet here?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2005 at 20:19
Originally posted by Gorgi Makedonski


wasnt it "Macedonians" ?

& you forgot to mention  that Macedonians & Greeks have very litle common, exept few times they made aliance vs common enemies

but i dont want to flood with unendless "paste-ings" on my first post

greetz all


Please don't waste my time. I do mean it with the best intentions.

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I went through the article you provided and a couple more about Alexeev's theory. Isn't this all about IE origins??? (correct me if I'm wrong)

And if so, what makes this correct since I've found that a large number of scolars find it totally incorrect.

Just so you understand what I mean, the Institute of history and archaeology.Ural brunch of Russian Academy of Sciences.Chelyabinsk.Russia
in an article I found states that :

"
Cultures of Scithian and Sarmatian world were not forming on the basis of the Late Bronze Age cultures placed from Dnieper river to the Altai. So called Andronovo culture is an archaeological myth. There are no features of Steppe cultures in cultures of India and Iran. And there are no Finno-Ugric borrowings in languages of Avesta and Rig Veda."

and

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The Early Afanasyevo culture was formed as a result of Indo-Iranian migration from Eastern Europe at the Early Bronze Age."

What do you think?
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If Greeks were such a pure race why did Hitler dislike them??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2005 at 02:12
Originally posted by vulkan02

If Greeks were such a pure race why did Hitler dislike them??


Your ignorance is stunning.
Dislike???
Who exactly did Hitler consider his "friends", the Albanians????
Either post something of value or DON'T

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He thought the Albanians were aryan race but not the Greeks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2005 at 10:38

Originally posted by vulkan02

He thought the Albanians were aryan race but not the Greeks.

Your idiocy, bringing Adolf Hitler as "proof" of your ridiculus claims, is inconceivable!

Please take action, see some specialist, before the damage to your brain is irreversable.

I'm not even going to bother with the other BS on "pureness" etc...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2005 at 11:47
Originally posted by Yiannis

Originally posted by vulkan02

He thought the Albanians were aryan race but not the Greeks.

Your idiocy, bringing Adolf Hitler as "proof" of your ridiculus claims, is inconceivable!

Please take action, see some specialist, before the damage to your brain is irreversable.

I'm not even going to bother with the other BS on "pureness" etc...

I dont think he deserved these words by  just claiming that you arent pure Aryans. He didnt defend or support Hitler (if he did, I would be the first person to reply his post with heavy insults)

Whatever kind of person Hitler was, he really had studied about a non-sense racist Aryan thingy, and according to him, Aryan was the superior European race, and he even considered the meditarrennean people of Spanish and Italians as Aryans. But he didnt consider Greeks as pure Aryans. It isnt such important what kind of categorization he used. But we know that it was about being pure Europeans. So even a guy like him could say that the Greeks arent pure Aryans.

He didnt even consider Iranians as Aryans. And he didnt consider Greeks as Aryans, but some Greeks still believe they are pure blooded Aryans... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2005 at 12:03
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

I dont think he deserved these words by  just claiming that you arent pure Aryans.

Jesus Oguzoglu, did you ever see me (or anyone else) claiming anything about "Greeks being pure Aryans"??? Why do you put in my mouth words that I never said?

Do you think that this is why I adorned him with these words? Come on...

 

 

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I do not defend Hitlers actions or anything like that. Hitler however did a lot of reseach on races and peoples and he claimed that Greeks are not a pure race however Albanians are. Thus you can disprove him or his statement. Thats your choice.
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Wow.... page 1: Can there be blonde Greeks?  page 4: Greeks weren't pure Aryans by Hitler.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 03:55

Originally posted by vulkan02

I do not defend Hitlers actions or anything like that. Hitler however did a lot of reseach on races and peoples and he claimed that Greeks are not a pure race however Albanians are. Thus you can disprove him or his statement. Thats your choice.

What irritates me the most, is that you don't possess the basic intelligence to comprehend that since Albania was an ally to Fascist Italy (protectorate) and the Nazis, Hitler had every reason to support something like that. There were Albanian divisions fighting alongside the Vermacht.

Let's also not forget that Hitler in WWII created greater Albania, by giving it Kossovo and W. Macedonia and exterminating hundreds of thousands of Slavs...

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by vulcan02

I do not defend Hitlers actions or anything like that. Hitler however did a lot of reseach on races and peoples and he claimed that Greeks are not a pure race however Albanians are. Thus you can disprove him or his statement. Thats your choice.

If you'd ask me I'd honestly prefer it if ancient Hellas wasn't idealized by people like him.
Unfortunately it was, I suggest you do a simple google using the words Hitler + Sparta.
You'll find exactly how many times he connects the Germans to the Spartans, he actually considers them as a prototype for German values, interestingly enough he never once mentioned Albanians in his "mein kampf". Everything is online, all you need to do is do an objective search.

You can also find loads of "Great Albania" supporters that claim that you were part of the "Aryan race" and your language is a direct "decsendant" of them during the 40's.
Using Hitler really isn't a argument that would suit your cause




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Albania was an ally to Fascist Italy but only on paper... partizans in Albania fought against the Nazis just like any other partizans in the Balkans. Quite a few villages were wiped out in the north after German soldiers were killed. While it is true that he had Albanian Kosovars fighting for him this does not prove that Albania itself had in mind to become "Greater Albania". Thats an idea that to this day has little appeal to people living in Albania. Most of the people who like that idea are Albanians outside living in Macedonia and Kosovo because well they don't want to be outside of Albania plus the Albania is small as it  can't support 3 other million people. Most of the Slavs were exterminated by their own brethen tho, the Croats might have killed up to 500000 Serbs during WW2.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 12:30
OK, so now you never assisted Italy and Germany in WW2
Must admit you know your history

As for "Greater Albania" I'll repost something from a different topic, just a couple of comments made by Albanian politicians.

See what the following Albanian politicians
have to say about Kosovo for starters:

SOURCE: Kosova Sot, Pristina, in Albanian 13 Oct 04 p 3

Excerpt from interview with Naser Bresa, chairman of the Democratic National Front, by S. Ahmeti: "Bresa: "Ethnic Albania can be created with us", published by Kosovo Albanian newspaper Kosova Sot on 13 October

Ahmeti What do you offer to the electorate that others do not?

Bresa The Democratic National Front Balli Kombetar Demokratik - BKD in Albanian is one of the youngest political entities in Kosova Kosovo and it offers precisely what other entities in the Kosova Kosovo political scene have not offered so far. We offer the fulfilment of the historic aspiration for national unification, or said even more plainly, the formation of an ethnic Albania - an
 
aspiration that dates back to the time of Mithat Frasheri, Abdyl Frasheri 19th century Albanian activists and all others that made huge sacrifices for our national cause, like the nationalists and patriots of the National Front platoons.a

Source: Kosova Sot, Pristina, in Albanian 9 Oct 04 p 3

Text of interview with People's Movement of Kosovo chairman Emrush Xhemajli by S. Ahmeti: "Xhemajli: Me prime minister, Gafurr Elshani president", published by Kosovo Albanian newspaper Kosova Sot on 9 October

(Ahmeti) What do you offer in your programme that the others do not offer?

(Xhemajli) In the LPK's (People's Movement of Kosovo) programme for this election, we offer our honesty and what none of the political entities which have governed so far have offered until now. We are determined to realize the declaration on the independent state of Kosova (Kosovo) and the creation of the Kosova-Albania Union.

(Ahmeti) With which parties would you not agree to co-govern?

(Xhemajli) As the LPK, we do not even want to co-govern and be close to any of those who are not ready to name this country properly: the land of Albania divided in 1913, which wants natural unification and integration into Europe.

SOURCE: Kosova Sot, Pristina, in Albanian 8 Oct 04 p 3

Excerpt from interview with Party of Albanian National Unity (UNIKOMB) chairman Muhamet Kelmendi by S. Ahmeti: "Shared governance unavoidable", published by Kosovo Albanian newspaper Kosova Sot on 8 October

Ahmeti What do you offer in your programme that the others do not offer?

Kelmendi As a party, UNIKOMB offers a state through which we believe we can move towards realization of the historic will of the Albanian nation to have a state and be one nation. We do not understand creation of a new nation in the Balkans, but we do understand unification of the Albanian nation, which is currently separated and divided in various parts of the Balkans. Passage omitted

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 15:08
like i said it has little appeal amongst the general Albanian populace inside Albania...BDK and UNIKOMB have been around for a while but most of the votes either go to the Democratic or Socialist Party when there's elections.
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