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felixmt
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Topic: Battle of Marathon revised Posted: 09-Nov-2010 at 08:04 |
This article has taken a look at some of the common myths associated with the Battle of Marathon:
take a look... anything to add?
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owenrees
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Posted: 25-Nov-2010 at 04:12 |
The myth of Pheidippides' run is told by Herodotus
(VI.105.1-3) as a myth, it is used as the catalyst for the cult of Pan in
Athens. I always find that interesting, it is during the Persian invasion
that Athens adopt the deity responsible for 'Panic', maybe that's just me.
Have you read Krentz's new book on Marathon? It is apparently a very impressive
revision of the battle, I know Cartledge and van Wees speak very highly about
it (according to their reviews at least).
Also the absence of Sparta is usually emphasised, but at the same time people
forget they did a forced march to the battle site and were late by one day - if
you look at the timings that was an impressive feat in itself, implying they
did want to be there but were bound by religious obligation.
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Posted: 25-Nov-2010 at 14:17 |
Very interesting thoughts! Certainly simple history lessons do not mention such things!
It is interesting that approximately ten years seperates the Battle of Marathon and the equally famous battle of Greek defeat at Thermopylae , where amongst other dead, were the famous 300!
It is equally interesting if one compares the two battles in Greece, with events of a similar nature that reportedly happend near Rome, in the same time period! Strangely a force of about 300 Fabians (Fabii)also died in battle near Veii!
There was a ten year siege (like that of Troy) a City was entered by a secret method, and the siege ended in the total destruction of a city, etc.!
And, if you noticed, there exists the possibility that a swamp or marsh might have played a part in the Battle of Marathon, as well as a battle in Greece wherein the Roman General Sulla, that was important!
If you are unable to find any information I will give you a few clues!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
http://www.ask.com/web?&o=101881&l=dis&q=veii%20battle%20of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Allia
http://hubpages.com/hub/Battle-of-Veii-404-396-BC
Enjoy!
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Posted: 26-Nov-2010 at 03:47 |
The Roman attempts around the time of the Imperial
reformation (for want of a better term) to show continuity with Greek history
and foundation are not unusual; one needs only to the read the Aeneid. So
if Livy did write about 300 Fabii (although I must confess I can't find the
reference, is it possible for you to post it as I am intrigued) falling in a
similar manner, it would appear to be along similar lines of Greek
symmetry. Although I'd be intrigued if the source shows just 300 dying,
or like Herodotus, many many more who just aren't remembered anymore.
The marshes thing is perhaps more telling of the time of year and geography of
the land, it is interesting how this plays such an important part in battles in
Greece. The impact of geography can often be overlooked in military
history, not just on its impact in battle but also its influence in the
evolution of military combat and tactics.
Do you know of a Roman equivalent to Salamis or Plataea, outside of credible
historical chronology?
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Posted: 26-Nov-2010 at 06:43 |
Owen, please go the General History section under Alternative History for more information!
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Posted: 17-Mar-2011 at 14:19 |
Dear Owen, if you are still available;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchomenus_(Boeotia) (Cephissus River)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephissus_(Boeotia) (Kephissos River)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Issus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Granicus (Note the mention of Mithradates)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaeronea_(338_BC) (Kephisos River and the 300 men of the Sacred Band of Thebes)
Note the river named "Kephisos" above is really just another version of Cephissus- Kifissos, see;
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Kephisos%20river&pc=conduit&form=CONTLB&ptag=AAC509A359AFA44ECAEF&conlogo=CT2392836
Along most rivers there exists marshes, in places, and low-land, sometimes suject to flooding, which also makes good farmland if kept drained, or protected by dikes. Or if you lived on the island of Lesbos, "Dykes"! lol
More later if you respond.
Ron
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Posted: 17-Mar-2011 at 19:22 |
Originally posted by felixmt
This article has taken a look at some of the common myths associated with the Battle of Marathon:take a look... anything to add? |
Interesting theories
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Posted: 20-Mar-2011 at 02:28 |
Agreed. As more then anything else, among many considerations, Marathon remains an example of what can occur if disicpline and commitment to a cause can provide; reference facing superior numbers. For those who can't appreciate that, then I suggest they review the commentaries of the classicists on morale and motivation.
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