Afghanistan

the casus belli is somewhat more justifiable/believed to be more justifiable than that of the Soviets in 1979. I expect there will be a ensuing debate on the justifiability of the war in below posts.

A question of retaliation for an attack on a NATO member, as opposed to propping up a friendly regieme.  

Yes, the Communist government of Afghanistan had asked for USSR help. The USSR coming to the aid of an ally at their request is quite justifiable.

Fact is, Afghanistan appears to becoming the US' second vietnam.

Money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: 1,000,000,000,000+
American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan: 5530
Are things getting better in either place? Nope.

That being said, do I believe we should pull out, no, we are already in too deep. Will we win in the end? Probably not, just like we couldnt win in Vietnam.

Enough said.




Edited by TheGreatSimba - 28-Jul-2010 at 15:45

The Tet Offensive was in 1968, we pulled out in 1975. We did not "throw in the towel". You Tea Partiers have no knowledge of US history, you sound like one of my conservative friends who asked me "when was the Vietnam War? It was before WWII right?" during a discussion. (true story).

The US would never have won the war in Vietnam unless we dedicated most of our military might to the effort, which we would never have done.

Several million South Asians and tens of thousands of Americans died as a result of that useless and needless war.

By the way, like Iraq, Vietnam was another war that we engaged in on the basis of lies.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 28-Jul-2010 at 16:43

DreamWeaver, you are right, but I'm sure the Communist Afghani government didnt mind the help of the USSR.

Killing over 3 million people, for what? Please tell me? We lied to get ourselves in Vietnam, and we killed millions and lost tens of thousands of our own? Who really hates America? People like you who want to see our soldiers die for nothing and the loss of millions of others, or people like me, who were against the massacre that was the Vietnam War?

Over a million people have died in Iraq alone since we lied and started a war in the country. Why? For what purpose? Has it been worth it?

You bet I'm anti-war, and proud of it! Go fight in Iraq or Afghanistan if you care so much, go fight and lets see how you like war. By the way, why didnt you go to Vietnam if you supported the war so much? You just like to see others die and suffer?

I know the type of person you are, you are a complainer, a person who likes to blame others for everything thats "gone wrong". You are the type of person that would support such a thing as the Vietnam War or the Iraq War yet would never put yourself in harms way.

Dont talk about being pro-war when you dont even know what its like being in a war situation. All your values are anti-America, they are the opposite of what the US is all about.

By the way, we pounded North Vietnam for years prior to 1968, what the Tet Offensive showed was that we would lose no matter what.



Edited by TheGreatSimba - 28-Jul-2010 at 17:57

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Yes, the Communist government of Afghanistan had asked for USSR help. The USSR coming to the aid of an ally at their request is quite justifiable. Fact is, Afghanistan appears to becoming the US' second vietnam.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: 1,000,000,000,000+ American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan: 5530 Are things getting better in either place? Nope. That being said, do I believe we should pull out, no, we are already in too deep. Will we win in the end? Probably not, just like we couldnt win in Vietnam. Enough said.

Originally posted by opuslola Actually, we probably could have won in VN if we had not thrown in the towel after the famous Tet Offensive! The NVA and all of their munitions and armour were destroyed! But, since loosers like you were running the media then, we decided to pull out! But, that is "yesterday's NEWs"!

Edited by Carol - 28-Jul-2010 at 23:00

Carol, the simple justification for NATO invading Afghanistan is thus. Osama bin Laden, figuatorial head of Al-Qaida, used Taliban controlled Afghanistan as base and safe haven. From where the 9/11 and other attacks were plotted etc. NATO invades in 2001 after 9/11 because a NATO member was attacked. The Taliban supported and sheltered him, and were in control of a large section of the country, so they became the target along with bin Laden.

Is that what you were looking for, or is there more, other themes and ideas you wish to discuss leading on from this?