Education for Liberty and Justice

The above conversations are a perfect example of what should exist on this site!

Two knowledgable adults carrying on an adult conversation without the resort to name calling, and insults, etc.!

Bravo!, to you both!

Thank you dear.

Originally posted by Airhead I consider myself a servant of Jesus Christ.  Yes, Christian will do.  I try to follow the Bible to the best of my abilities, but to be honest, I am far from perfect.

The reason I bring this up is that I want to know what your opinions are on certain "words of God".

For example, it is clearly stated in the bible on a couple occasions that women are inferior to men. It also says in the bible that women should cover their head.

If the bible is the word of god, and for one to be a good Christian one must follow gods words, do you propose we practice these barbaric and backwards rules?


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 21-Jul-2010 at 13:48

Originally posted by Airhead   The Bible was written by man, so that is hardly a surprise.

So you're a Christian that doesnt believe in the bible?

Originally posted by Airhead     Jesus came to earth for a reason.  He became a man so that we could have a direct and personal relationship with God.

Well, if he ever existed in the first place.

Originally posted by Airhead   He died on the cross so that our sins could be forgiven.  This shows the true nature of God unadulterated by human motivations.

But we are only told that this happened because of the bible, you just said the bible is the work of man, therefore, couldnt this all be made up by man?

Originally posted by Airhead     I do believe that the Old Testament is the word of God, but not literal truth in many cases.

The old testament is far worse than the new testament in terms of its harsher rules, harsher punishments, etc...

Originally posted by Airhead     In fact much of it was never intended to be taken as literal.  Literalism actually formed in reaction to the second Jewish disporia, in a desperate attempt for a dispersed people to hang on to their culture.  I can't blame them for that, yet it did effect the way the Bible was translated for thousands of years.

Who said that it was never intended to be taken literally?

You said earlier that the bible is the work of man, and therefore we cannot trust everything it says.

Well, the only reason we know of Jesus and the whole story around him is through the New Testament, which is composed of several works, the earliest of which was written decades after Jesus supposedly died. (nothing was written about Jesus during the time he was supposed to have lived, why?)

No other sources from the time period mention Jesus, none. Therefore, why even believe that any of that happened? You yourself said it was the work of man, couldnt it be possible that all of this is made up?

Furthermore, Christianity is based on the bible, thats where it comes from and that is where it has developed from, and everything in the bible is said to have come from god.

The bible clearly details things that today we find barbaric and backwards, why were those things in there in the first place? I understand context, but we are talking about religion here, if Christianity truly is the religion of god, than shouldnt it be practiced the way god wanted it to be practice, the way he preached it?

For example, Jesus said turn the other cheek, did you support US retaliation for 9/11?

Yes, we all have our biases, I'm just trying to show your contradictions. Religion is an invention of man, it was invented during a time of chaos. We no longer need it, we have developed enough as a civilization to be able to make secular laws that are better and more sensible than religious laws. We no longer need religion the way you say, this is my opinion.



Edited by TheGreatSimba - 21-Jul-2010 at 15:32

Just why do any of you feel an almost inordinate desire to ridicule Christians?

Why don't you take the time to ridicule Moslems? Or Hindu's, or "Shamanism?" or "Shintoism?", etc.?

You never cease to decrease my opinion of you!

But, I think you may have met your match?

Edited by opuslola - 21-Jul-2010 at 16:11

Speaking of Education, and Justice, etc.;

See; http://www.aolnews.com/house-money/article/the-other-congressional-spending-how-the-house-spent-1-billion-on-itself/19522761

Waste is where one finds it! What ever happend to our simple (but rich) congress-persons?

I think that "noblis oblige'", needs to show its "ugly" face again?

TGS wrote;

"as far as I was aware, I didnt think you were a christian, why take it so personally?"


For one reason, "Love thy neighbor as thyself!"

Just because you seem to hate yourself for what you have become, do not tend to be anti to all others!

It makes you less than human!

Maybe "and to your own self be true", has been misconstrued by you?

Edited by opuslola - 21-Jul-2010 at 16:33

Actually, after all of these months I would have expected you to actually address me by my Christian Name, which is, and has always been available to you as Ronald L. Hughes!

Note that I go by the first name shortened to Ron!

Since you have not revealed any of your hidden identity to any of us, then I have to refer to you by your moniker, which is TGS, abbr.!

The word "rude" oft comes to my mind when ever I converse with you, whom ever you really are?

In essence you are mostly a coward!

Well, while not an expert, I would guess "NO!" I know there are Jewish dietary laws, but as far as I know, mixing Flax, with wool, or even later day cotton, would not violate it!

Perhaps "airhead" knows?