Those fascinating Scots

Yes indeed, for a small little nation in the North of England, the Scot movement seems very strong indeed!

And, indeed, it seems that there has to be some real reason for their success?

But, what was it?

Greedy Scots? I thought that Scots were known for their frugalness?

Originally posted by DreamWeaver Tight fistedness.     Scotladn (particularly Glasgow) accounts for the fattest people in the UK if I recall, with sections of Wales coming in close afterwards. Mayve they are a tad greedy, that or its the deep fired chocolate bars with chips

Rather that they are "fat and happy" rather than "lean and mean!"

Dear Carol, here we enter a small sometimes grey area. First are the depictions of the Picts, anywhere correct? (note the word play with pict! ) and if the Scots are later day Picts, etc., then you do see a valorous group of mostly freemen, who were admired and feared on the battlefield!

Did the later Scots also follow such traditions? Like painting themselves blue, fighting nude (note the famous kilt!), etc.? Remember the scene in Braveheart?

And thanks for the site you gave us above!

I would argue, however, that France still made use of a "merc" army called "The Foreign Legion!" No real names needed, no background checks, etc., just paid guns!

And no one can forget that "pirates" (corsairs) of all types, were noted for centuries of our past, even until today!

It seems that a lot of them were large red haired men!

And, just whom can forget the famous Hessians used by George against the colonists in America! Mercs, they were, even if they were cousins of George!

Edited by opuslola - 21-Jul-2010 at 09:02

My mistake Lirelou! Maybe I had old information?

It could not be a bad memory?

But, perhaps from 1949 to the 1960's my description of the Legion was accurate? It has been alleged that ex-nazi's, and even known war criminals were accepted into the legion!

No! I do not now have my sources, but I know that they did exist at one time!

But, "Will you still need me, will you still breed me, when I'm sixty four?" Sorry those are not the exact words of the Beatles song also, but that is how I remember them!

Regards,

Soon to be sixty four! da da!

Edited by opuslola - 22-Jul-2010 at 14:36

Opuslola, you might try an article by Mireille Nicoud and Shaun Darragh entitled: "Foreign Legion Infantry in Indochina" (If I remember correctly), which was published by Vietnam magazine some years back and was on line at www.thehistorynet.com. It gives you statistics of German speakers for the Indochina years. Did some Nazis get in? Yes, and not all were war criminals. Did war criminals get in? Yes, they did. And the Legion Security service had an active program to hunt them down. Were there a lot of German speakers? Yes, at one time, some 40 plus percent of the Legion. Why? Germany was in ruins, and thsoe from Eastern Germany had good reasons to stay elsewhere. German speakers also included Alsatians who had enlisted or been drafted into the Legion, and veterans of the German diaspora whose homes were now behind the Iron Curtain. As a Polish veteran of the Legion from 1946-52 remarked to me. "I didn't join the Legion because I loved the Army. I joined because I had no other real choice." (He enlisted in the US Army in 1952, when the Lodge Act allowed a certain number of foreigners to enlist directly into the US Army.)

According to the ancient Scots Chronicles the origin of the Scottish people, at least in part, derives from the Pharaonic lineage of an Egyptian princess named Scota, who may have lived around 1400 B.C. The old Irish Annals support this same tradition saying that Scota came to Ireland, via Spain, from Egypt. Even today the placename Glen Scota traditionally records her presence in Ireland. Subsequently descendants of Scota apparently migrated to Scotland around 300 B.C. from whence came the Scots royal lineage.

The feasibility of Egyptian travel to the British Isles in ancient times is borne out by modern archaeological findings. This occurred in 1937 when two Egyptian sailing ships, dated to around 1400 B.C., were discovered in a Yorkshire estuary, on the north west coast of England. Moreover, Egyptian faience beads dating from the same period have been found in Scotland and other parts of the British Isles.

Furthermore, the Rev. John Stirton in his essay The Celtic Church and the Influence of the East (1923) observes: "The earliest type of monumental cross in Scotland is an Egyptian or Coptic wheel cross. It appears on several stones at Kirkmadrine in Wigtonshire, along with the Alpha and Omega….The Crux Ansata, the emblem of life in Egyptian hieroglyphics, is found on a stone at Nigg in Ross-shire, and on another at Ardboe, in Ireland.

"Scot" is really similar to "Osku", look at this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28131

Originally posted by opuslola My mistake Lirelou! Maybe I had old information? It could not be a bad memory? But, perhaps from 1949 to the 1960's my description of the Legion was accurate? It has been alleged that ex-nazi's, and even known war criminals were accepted into the legion! No! I do not now have my sources, but I know that they did exist at one time! But, "Will you still need me, will you still breed me, when I'm sixty four?" Sorry those are not the exact words of the Beatles song also, but that is how I remember them! Regards, Soon to be sixty four! da da!

Carol, re. your post concerning;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

You might well notice the reference to Nectenabo? Supposedly he was the king that allowed "Greeks" to settle on the coasts of Egypt!

Here is the site in quotes;

"Scota, in Irish mythology, Scottish mythology, and pseudohistory, is the name given to two different mythological daughters of two different Egyptian Pharaohs to whom the Gaels traced their ancestry, allegedly explaining the name Scoti, applied by the Romans to Irish raiders, and later to the Irish invaders of Argyll and Caledonia which became known as Scotland.

The Scota who was allegedly the wife of Mil is named as the daughter to a pharaoh named 'Nectanebus' (a name which might be meant to identify either Nectanebo I or Nectanebo II), and in this myth it was the sons of Mil and Scota that settled in Ireland.

According to the early Irish chronicle Lebor Gabála Érenn the other Scota was the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Cingris, a name found only in Irish legend. She married Niul, son of Fenius Farsaid, a Babylonian who traveled to Scythia after the collapse of the Tower of Babel. Niul was a scholar of languages, and was invited by the pharaoh to Egypt and given Scota's hand in marriage. They had a son, Goídel Glas, the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels, who created the Gaelic language by combining the best features of the 72 languages then in existence.

Goídel (or his son Sru) was expelled from Egypt shortly after the Exodus of the Israelites by a pharaoh whom 17th century Irish chronicler Geoffrey Keating names Intuir. After much travelling his descendants settled in Hispania (or Iberia - modern Spain and Portugal), where Míl Espáine was born, and it was the sons of Míl, Eber Finn and Eremon, who established the Gaelic presence in Ireland.

According to Seumas MacManus in his book The Story of the Irish Race, Scota married Niul, but he was the grandson of Gaodhal Glas. Then another Scota, who was coincidentally also a daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh, married Miled (or Milesius). This second Scota left Iberia with her eight sons and their families, after Miled died, and headed for Ireland. Many of the sons died en route, due to a storm, and Queen Scota died during the battle between the Milesians and the Tuatha Dé Danann.

South of Tralee town, in Ireland, in a valley is an area known as Glenn Scoithin, "Vale of the little flower", more normally known as Foley's Glen, reputedly the grave of Scota."

Co-incidentally, this king with the name Nectanebo, is one of Velikovsky's main subjects in his book, "Peoples of the Sea!"

Also, Velikovsky tries to tie Nectanebo with Rameses III!, and his imortal battles with the "People of the Sea or Isles", etc.! By doing so, he (Velikovsky) effectively removed about 800 years from our Egyptian chronology!

And, of course, he was villified by historians, etc.!

Of course, since we have seen that Scots were regularly used as "mercs" by many kings, etc., then what difference does it make if the king of Egypt might have used them also?

If you would read the other posts of mine, at this particular place, you might well find out that I intend to "outdo" Velikovsky! That is 800 years is but a beginning!

I intend to insinuate that these Scots, and Nectanebo, and the Sea People were a product of what we today call the "Crusades!"

Yes, I am a nut!

But, what if I am correct?

By the way, "coming to Scotland, via Iberia", may or may not mean Spain!

There exists two famous Iberias, like there exits two famous Babylons, etc.!

Edited by opuslola - 24-Jul-2010 at 17:37