What does the group think about this

Originally posted by Patryk I have no problem in believing that Iran will, with one hand, strike out at the Sunnis in Iraq while giving refuge to a Sunni fighter against the West with the other hand.

Edited by Cryptic - 18-Jul-2010 at 05:21

Originally posted by Patryk   Yes, many young Persians are sick of the Islamic Revolution but I don't know of any Islamic Revolution that has been reversed once "institutionalized" as it has been in Iran.

Cryptic wrote;

"neo conservatism has declined in the USA.!"

Can you not read? Just what do you call the "Tea party" movement if not "neo-conservative?"

It seems your hate of the "conservatives" of America is great!

We will see in the upcoming elections if your ideas or mine win?

BTY, just what do you consider the "old conservative" movement?

Originally posted by eaglecap I agree with you here but I do believe Al Qaeda does exist. I wonder who really created them! This is more of a statement than a question.

Originally posted by eaglecap Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Honestly, is Osama really who the West made him out to be, is he real? Does Al Qaeda truly exist? These are questions to consider as well. I agree with you here but I do believe Al Qaeda does exist. I wonder who really created them! This is more of a statement than a question.

Well, we know who helped train and fund them...Pakistan and the United States. This is why I am skeptically with everything regarding this issue, because from the very beginning our government was the architect, therefore, our government can make up whatever it wants regarding Osama and "his" organization.

Osama has already been used to start two wars to expand the American Empire.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 22-Jul-2010 at 06:24

Originally posted by opuslola Just whom would want Iraq and or the Afgan, in their Empire?

You dont know? I think you know very well why we wanted Iraq and Afghanistan. This has already been made clear.

Originally posted by opuslola What the USA wants is for us to stabilize the areas and then get out!

No, what the USA wants is to establish puppet government from which it can still profit. All one has to do is understand America's history of intervention in other nations.

Originally posted by opuslola I, for one, would turn the control of the Oil Fields to the Kurds and let them dole out the profits! The rest of this bastardized nation, is helpless left to its own devices! I really see no nation existing before our participation in the Gulf Wars and in reality, I cannot forsee any nation existing for long after we are gone!

What?

You do know that there is oil in the South of Iraq as well right?

Originally posted by opuslola It would be better to deport existing peoples living within these created confines, to areas already inhabited with their own majority, and create a new "Balkans" than to see these people still fighting with each other for the next 100 years!

Interesting analysis. What about when the United States paid them to fight each other, and encouraged them?

Who do you think put Saddam in power? The USA
Who do you think encouraged the Kurds to fight Saddam? The USA.
Whose invasion started civil war in Iraq? The USA.

Originally posted by opuslola Segregation, seems the only worthwile policy! There you go, Simba! I have used the infamous word "segregation", but I did not say "Segregation now, and segregation always!"

Believe me, I know what you're beliefs are, and I am not surprised whatsoever by your statement.

Lets see, you said the Kurds should be given all the oil in Iraq, the bastardized Arabs should be deported, and the Middle East should be segregated according to race/religion.

Let me guess, you're also probably one of those conservatives who believes that America has never done anything wrong and that anyone who hates us is just jealous, and they have no legitimate reason for wanting to do us harm. Is that correct?

You also oppose the building of Mosques do you not (especially in New York)? And I'm sure you were completely for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Are all of these assumptions correct? Please answer honestly, you are, after all, a Christian, right?

You would be the first person to protest against a Chinese or Russian invasion of another country. Lets not be hypocritical and start being realistic. America is no better than any other country in the world. We are a country run by humans, and humans will do anything to survive and be superior to their neighbors. This is natural, its not something one should deny.

Originally posted by opuslola But, I really don't care what other wild rants you write!

Then dont respond.

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The facts are quite clear, Bush came into office wanting to go to war with Iraq and he gave orders to make it happen. Than 9/11 happens and Bush was more than ready to go to war. Than the Bush administration fabricated evidence to engage us in an illegal war in Iraq for their own profit.

Illegal war? Yes. War for profit? Yes. War for political and economic control of the developing world? Yes.

I agree with Ron Paul on one issue, our military budget is too big, and our armed forces are in too many countries. The pentagon and the Republicans cannot convince us that our large armed forces and our enormous military budget are for defensive purposes.

Do I think Osama is in Iran? Hell no. Do I think the military wants us to think he is? Yes.

Do I think American is an exception? Nope. When it comes to military dominance, all governments are evil and ruthless, and willing to do anything to gain and maintain power. We are no better than any other country in this respect.



Edited by TheGreatSimba - 22-Jul-2010 at 14:30

Originally posted by Patryk The US does not "make a profit" since our government doesn't sell anything.

You dont have to sell anything to profit from something. A profit is simply a positive gain from an endeavor. You're thinking of the word profit in a literal economic term.

Originally posted by Patryk Governments are parasitical bodies (my Tea Party side is showing through there).

Not true.

Originally posted by Patryk The US government only has interest in creating an environment of stability that will allow the various corporations and businesses to exist and carry out business -- that's good for everyone.  There are no US oil refineries or petrol stations, so they are not making any money on this war.

The United states' only interest is not creating an environment of stability that will allow corporations and businesses to exist and carry out business, its interest is creating an environment of stability, by its own measure, that will allow American (and US allies) corporations and businesses carry out business.

There was no need for "stability" when Iraq was a US ally and the US was encouraging and helping Iraq fight Iran for 8 years. Suddenly there was a need for "stability" in 2003?


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 22-Jul-2010 at 20:31

Unless you live in the developing world, where its either war or dictatorship, encouraged and funded by the "Pax Americana".Ofcourse, this doesnt matter to Westerners does it?


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 23-Jul-2010 at 06:59

Originally posted by opuslola Besides you needing a course in anger management, you should have understood that I meant the Oil Fields, now in the area that is mostly Kurd!

You're the only person on this forum that I have seen get angry. I certainly am not, nor do I need "anger management".

And no, you did not mean the oil fields in Northern Iraq, you are simply back tracking in an effort to save face.

Regarding the Kurds, let me flip your own argument around on you, since you obviously know nothing about Iraq or its history. What about the Turkmens in Northern Iraq? Should they get their own country too? Shouldnt they get some control of the oil?

Originally posted by opuslola And I do not really consider you as a "decent" American in any manner! You are an America hater! But, I will support your right to act like a fool, with every gun in my home!

On the contrary, me and people like me actually care about this country and about the American people. We love this country and its constitution more than people like you. We want to see this country prosper and continue to flourish, whereas some people simply want to use it for their own benefit.

You calling me an "America hater" goes to show how un-American you are.

You can call me an "America hater" but considering its not coming from a real American, your words mean nothing to me.

And I want to stress once again, those who simply wish to use American for their own benefit will spread propaganda about Iran, such as Osama is being hidden there, in order to achieve their own agenda.

Regarding the Iranian nuclear program, the NIE, since 2007, has consistently maintained that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. No one has been able to prove Iran has a nuclear weapons program. So why are we consistently being told that Iran is a threat? Its not, this is all propaganda to keep military spending high and start another war for power and resources.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 23-Jul-2010 at 14:33

You have no idea what you're talking about. Middle Eastern ethnic politics is far more complicated that you think.

You, as a westerner whose probably never been to the Middle East and who probably doesnt know much about the Middle Easts' recent history (past 200 years or so), would certainly think it was so easy as you suggest, now wouldnt you?

How about the West stays our of Middle Eastern politics for once, and give them a shot at it?

Opuslola, do you understand the concept of blowback? Do you know why 9/11 happened? Do you know why the Iranian revolution happened? Do you know why there is ethnic civil war in Iraq? Do you know why Hezbollah was created? etc...


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 23-Jul-2010 at 16:28