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Azadi
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Topic: Kurds are German? Posted: 14-May-2010 at 17:20 |
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I give up getting though to you...
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kalhur
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Posted: 14-May-2010 at 17:25 |
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thanks you do a right thing . i am nearly 60 years old and i have seen enough to judge these political parties and their "deomcratic" ways . i will rather live in north pole instead of living in a " democratic republic of north korea" and countries based on same ideal.
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Posted: 14-May-2010 at 17:34 |
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Azadî you know what is interesting? your kurmanci dialect is much closer to my Tori dialect from Botan then to the other kurmanci dialects. for example we say to other dî too and not din like the other northkurmancis. but i don´t know what you mean with hinde? do you mean much or less?
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Posted: 14-May-2010 at 17:36 |
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i don´t care much about parties i bet you wouln´t either be for an free kurdistan without this parties.
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Posted: 14-May-2010 at 18:22 |
free kurdestan is a country made upon concensus with nighbours and not based by endless war with almost any country around and without any result like in turkey and lead by some political leader who sends thousends to death and excution and then themselevs while captured strangely still alive and as fat as before in so called jail  . the same jail which many other kurds have been tortured and excuted because they followed him  it is very easy to promiss a free country to a people to attract them inside a trapp! with few klashnikov against turkish army which is one on largest armies in NATO. again please say these things to the young boys between 18-25 . i am to old to buy such propaganda. you diden't answer me why EBOLA. OCALAN is not excuted like others and how many cities are free from turkish forces in turkish kurdestan after 30 years of civil war?
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 03:53 |
Kalhur you believe you are an historian right? or at least interested in history right? well lets take a look at history, what happens to people when they stop being nationalists and think like you "Oh, we are brothers", I'll tell you what happens, with in time they forget their language and roots! if there were no nationalists kurd, there would not be any kurds!  Why don't turks, arabs and persian say "we're brothers" and give our land back? this is the problem with kurds, they are too nice, it was by force that our land was take, and it is only by force that it will be given back..  Maybe you don't want a country, where kurds rule kurds, kurdish is the main language, and in the future people can look back and say, kurdistan did this, BUT WE DO.. so please if you think like that and want to be brothers which is fine, but there is no brotherhood in politics, please keep it to yourself and don't contaminate other kurds
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 04:27 |
idea you know well better than me that . the situation for kurds in iraq is as fragil as it could be. you know well that KRG in iraq which has acheived some succes there kurds can read and write in their own language. do not propagate for a great kurdistan and is a part of federation with iraqi arab governement. what persian said. is they recognised KRG . what Turks said :is same thing, what arabs saying is the same. but what so called "nationalist" is saying to wage war against all the big nation around and creating a map on the paper. and call anybody else not agreeing with them as jash !!and giving free hands to turkey to occupy iraqi kuristan when USA has left iraq.  printing a map on the paper is easier than realise ait. you know well that despite all all the governements around iraq+ iran + turkey have one things in common dispite.their arguing each other they have good relation to each other. the turkish governement has supported iranian nuclear program. i never said kurd should not be nationalist, but do not follow any one because he shout load for a great free kurdistan without thinking about all the things around. the kurds n turkey has acheived much more by parelementaric movements than by armed struglle against turks. now in turkey thay have the kurdish language recognised and the kurdish non separatist parties are allowed and there are even TV and radio in kurdish. what do you want them to do more ?
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 04:36 |
Originally posted by kalhur
idea you no well better than me that . the situation for kurds in iraq is as fragil as it could be. you know well that KRG in iraq which has acheived some succes there kurds can read and write in their own language. do not propagate for a great kurdistan and is a part of federation with iraqi arab governement. what persian said. is they recognised KRG . what Turks said :is same thing, what arabs saying is the same. but what so called "nationalist" is saying to wage war against all the big nation around and creating a map on the paper. and call anybody else not agreeing with them as jash !!and giving free hands to turkey to occupy iraqi kuristan when USA has left iraq.  printing a map on the paper is easier than realise ait. you know well that despite all all the governements around iraq+ iran + turkey have one things in common dispite.their arguing each other they have good relation to each other. the turkish governement has supported iranian nuclear program. i never said kurd should not be nationalist, but do not follow any one because he shout load for a great free kurdistan without thinking about all the things around.
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So why should we be the ones giving up? they should be doing that, don't worry turkey is not stupid enough to invade kurdistan anymore, they have alot more to lose then we do.. and sooner or later, we will create a kurdistan out of northen iraq, we're just waiting to get kirkuk.
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 04:58 |
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i do not believe in armed strugle against all the nation around lead by non democratic marxist. movements that wants to creating a republic like north korea, only by democratic parlementric way like in turkey recent years progress had taken place in good relation wich allows to rebuild a kurdish cultural identity in turkey and respect for KRG and saying the turks are not stupid . yes surely they are not stupid, but provcing a war with nations around is not positive and will not give any good result . today the time of gurilla warfare is over only diplomacy can bring a good solution to the problem. the gurilla has much less chance to win a war against reguliar well equiped armies. democracy means the freedom of choice . you are fri to choose your way and i am free to choose myway. that is it.
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 05:49 |
Originally posted by kalhur
i do not believe in armed strugle against all the nation around lead by non democratic marxist. movements that wants to creating a republic like north korea, only by democratic parlementric way like in turkey recent years progress had taken place in good relation wich allows to rebuild a kurdish cultural identity in turkey and respect for KRG and saying the turks are not stupid . yes surely they are not stupid, but provcing a war with nations around is not positive and will not give any good result . today the time of gurilla warfare is over only diplomacy can bring a good solution to the problem. the gurilla has much less chance to win a war against reguliar well equiped armies. democracy means the freedom of choice . you are fri to choose your way and i am free to choose myway. that is it.
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Why do you keep comparing us to north korea? how in the hell are we like them??  We are ETHNICLY DIFFRENT to others around us, and its not like we gave them our land, and decided to take it back, IT WAS TAKEN.. I give up with you.. you think how you like, but like I said keep it to yourself
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 06:09 |
i do not compare you with north korea. i compare political organisations with marxist lenist programs. but as i said it is upp to every one to choose their way and is called democracy , if you prefer the armed strugle then it is your choice. i am ethnical kurd and don't want to be called something else by some facist groups  which can not tolerate other options and opinions and want to dictate their political program to others. there are ethnical kurd all around the world nearly one million in germany and as much more in many other countries . we have right to preserv our kurdish identity . it is all
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 06:12 |
Originally posted by kalhur
i do not compare you with north korea. i compare political organisations with marxist lenist programs. but as i said it is upp to every one to choose their way and is called democracy , if you prefer the armed strugle then it is your choice. i am ethnical kurd and don't want to be called something else by some facist groups which can not tolerate other options and opinions and want to dictate their political program to others. there are ethnical kurd all around the world nearly one million in germany and as much more in many other countries . we have right to preserv our kurdish identity . it is all |
Like I said, you do what you want, think what you want.. but keep it to yourself..
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 06:43 |
no no!!!! keeping for myself is just the thing i don't agree at all. in a democratic society every one has right to have an opinion and right to question too  . nobody answered to my question about howmany cities are being free in turkish kurdestan and why when hundreds of kurds have been excuted in turkey for separatism why the big separatis leader EBOL-OCALAN is not excuted by the turks!???? i am realy disapointed!! it stinks politically 
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 07:13 |
strangely when i ask a question i become another ethnicla group 

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| Region/Haplogroup | I | R1a | R1b | G | J2 | J1 | E | T | L | Q | N | Others |
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| Syria | 5 | 10 | 13.5 | 3 | 17 | 30 | 11.5 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
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| Georgia | 3.5 | 9 | 11 | 31 | 24.5 | 2 | 4.5 | 2.5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 10.5 | | Iran | 3 | 16.5 | 6.5 | 10 | 12 | 10 | 4.5 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 2.5 | 27 | | Iraq | 5 | 6.5 | 11 | 3 | 27 | 31 | 11 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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| Armenia | 4 | 8 | 28 | 11 | 22 | 0 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 12 | | Azerbaijan | 3 | 7 | 11 | 18 | 20 | 12 | 6 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15 |
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| Kurdistan (Turkey) | 25 | 19.5 | 8 | 12.5 | 7 | 0 | 2.5 | 6.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 18.5 |
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| Region/Haplogroup | I1 | I2a | I2b | R1a | R1b | G2a | J2 | J1 | E1b1b | T (+L) | Q | N1c1 |
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| Turkey | 1 | 4 | 0.5 | 7.5 | 15 | 11 | 21 | 12.5 | 11 | 2 | 2 | 4
| the haplo group K2=T is noT a typical armenin nor jewish it is found among all the nations in middle east . i love both armeniens and jewishs . but i am neither of them. JEWISH PEOPLE BELONG TO j GROUP AND ARMENIAN R1b AND G2 I AM KURD AND CHRISTIAN AND LIVING IN EUROPE!!
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 16:42 |
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if there is any reason why the kurds of Anatolia can talk today their languages it´s because of the PKK and their rebelion against the turks. If there is any reason why turks give the kurds an own tv thats because of the PKK and their rebellion. If there is a reason why kurds of anatolia can call them self kurd withhout getting executed thats because of the armed struggle of the pkk
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 16:45 |
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Does anyone need a new definition of WAR?" Then just read the above postings?
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 16:58 |
nice speach, but not answer to my questions.  the kurds have spoken kurdish in thousends of years before pkk in turkey . then it coulden't be the reason they keep speaking kurdish!!! giving tv to the kurds and accepting kurdish language is a political measure taken by turkish governement to meet europeans for enteing r the EC and well you can give this to pkk too. anyway i don't care what is your political choice . anyone has right to choose and follow their own political path.it is your deomcratic right and is not my concern. i am kurd and christian and don't believe in marxism. my country is the land i can have my religion respected. jesus said the one who rise sword will perrish by sword. i don't believe in hatred and hate i love all the human beings specially iranians, because kurds are an iranian ethnic group with iranian language.and naturally turk and arab brothers too. The Kurds (Kurdish: کورد / Kurd) are an Ethnic-Iranian ethnolinguistic group mostly inhabiting a region known as Kurdistan, which includes adjacent parts of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. Substantial Kurdish communities also exist in the cities of western Turkey, and they can also be found in Armenia, Georgia, Israel, Azerbaijan, Russia, Lebanon and, in recent decades, some European countries and the United States (see Kurdish diaspora). Most speak Kurdish, an Indo-European language of theIranian branch. The Kurds are classified as an Iranian peopl
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 17:25 |
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what a bull s..t the last 100 years you just get killed when you said one word in kurdish on the streets! The reason why the turks are giving kurds their rights is because they try to reduce the number of young people who join the Pkk by pacifying them. this has nothing to do with the EU or any other shit. if it had they would have done this 10 years ago and not since Erdogan is the prasident.
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Posted: 15-May-2010 at 17:36 |
i was in turkey in 1970 and in many kurdish cities and average people did speak kurdish if you asked them to speak kurdish, anyway we tried many time and we diden't understand each other and laughed . it wasen't 100 years ago, but it was before pkk!!. recently turkish governement deported 1000s of kurds and emptied the villages near the iraqi border . it was maybe a measure to meet pkk's demand . isen't that true? if they were afraid of pkk then why they did so? i don't care anymore . this topic was about ethnical origin of kurds not different political groups in kurdestan . i don't know why each time it finishs by political propaganda and insulting the others and playing internet hero far from the kurdestan we both are living in europe . if one of us has a such a conviction why not join the fighters instead of insulting other peoples. by the way EU is not shit it is union of many civilised countries like germany, sweden, france, uk . these countries has been very kind and given exile to more than one million kurds mostly from turkey which has been forced to move out either because of civil war and pouverty or lack of job. it is more honest to thank the people that give us shelter and food instead of insulting them!!!!!!
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Posted: 16-May-2010 at 03:16 |
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kalhur, its almost like your begging for freedom.. this is all I hear from you "Oh they let us live in their country, and sometimes let us speak our language, lets thank them" ??? what the hell man, its our land and we do what we want, ok? like I said your twisted bend over way of thinking is your choice, keep it to yourself..
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