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    Posted: 14-May-2010 at 15:16
Originally posted by Xorto

@ideas i donß´t mean them by half european i mean the most persian clips where they show half european half persian people to show how blond they are i hate this kind of stuff don´t try to show you like you are not. Persians are mostly brown-black haired not blond.


But Im talking about kurds here not persians, and kurds in the mountaints arre definatly mostly blonde, which is what I said in the post..
but whats people posting on youtube got to do with this? whats wrong with being blonde? :S


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you don´t understand me. I just try to say ´. It is not right to show some pictures of blond kids and try to look blond. because most kurdish children are in younger years blond or brown haired ( i had brown hair too) but when they grow the hairs get darker. Thats why i tell you show pictures of mature  Kurds.
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Originally posted by Xorto

you don´t understand me. I just try to say ´. It is not right to show some pictures of blond kids and try to look blond. because most kurdish children are in younger years blond or brown haired ( i had brown hair too) but when they grow the hairs get darker. Thats why i tell you show pictures of mature  Kurds.


Yes, thats true.. but there are also alot of woman that are still blonde when they grow up, but due to the islamic belief in kurdistan, you won't find many pictures of mature kurds online.. as I said, if you go deep in the mountains (I'v been to many villiages in mountains in south kurdistan) and people there are mostly blonde/ginger..
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And thats why you will not see many kurds the only kurds the europeans know are the politicans from northirak who are not represantativ for kurds. Even not for North-Iraki kurds. I once showed a pic of peschmerga with fair hair in southkurdistan there are also many fair haired one. 


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I know that´s why most people have the semitic look in their heads they only the on news kurds from Irak and only the politicans even in irak there are many fair haired people.


like the peschmergas i showed and there are not the only one. My mother is real blond also. Fakt is kurds loook mostly like other mediterranean nations. 



Yes like I said in my post, there are semitic kurds due to the fact of the number of ex-jewish kurds that lost their jewish name and now are just kurds, becuase they converted to islam.. I know many ex-jews that are now muslim, and yes they are semitic kurds.. also kurds that mixed with arabs, and ex-assryains exict among us..
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no this has nothing to do with the jews. the jewish old community(without the european ones) have mostly Haplogroup K2 which is an armenic haplogroup. I think that has more to do with the arabs of irak. I know that some kurds from their have mixed up with arabs. i know one girl even by myself. After Saddam get killed and Southkurdistan free. Many arabs moved to north. You can even find in hawler many arabs,assyrians today.
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Originally posted by Xorto

no this has nothing to do with the jews. the jewish old community(without the european ones) have mostly Haplogroup K2 which is an armenic haplogroup. I think that has more to do with the arabs of irak. I know that some kurds from their have mixed up with arabs. i know one girl even by myself. After Saddam get killed and Southkurdistan free. Many arabs moved to north. You can even find in hawler many arabs,assyrians today.


Not true, KRG controled the number of arabs that moved to iraq, they only let in a maximum of 100000 and the assyrians have always been living there.. even now, if arabs enter kurdistan peshmerga takes their ducoments like passport at check points, in they give it back to them only when they leave kurdistan, so they have to leave..
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do you know how many arabs were setteld in kirkuk and mosul by saddamBig smile do you know how many of them mixed with arabs? Be sure the assyrians never lived in Hawler the real homeplace of assyrians was south ninive and zentral Irak(bagdad) you can also find many old assyrian citys in Bagdad. The christians you mean in hawler are mostly of aramäic origin not assyrians.
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having blue eyes or light hair or dark eyes and dark hair dosen't mean that peoples have different race .
 all new human beings are great mixture of peoples of different origin. the geografical situation has a lot to do with that.
what is shaping a people is their common language and culture.
in iran afghanistan and kurdstan there are many people with blue eyes and light hair living in country side or remote places and in cities due to more mix people have darker hair  and eyes.
i have visited many villages in our part of iranian kurdestan and northern iran and  alborz mountain villages near to tehran wich habitants looking like the pictures idea have sent.
 it is just so . no one is better or worse  because they look different!.  they are still same people.
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Originally posted by Xorto

do you know how many arabs were setteld in kirkuk and mosul by saddamBig smile do you know how many of them mixed with arabs? Be sure the assyrians never lived in Hawler the real homeplace of assyrians was south ninive and zentral Irak(bagdad) you can also find many old assyrian citys in Bagdad. The christians you mean in hawler are mostly of aramäic origin not assyrians.


Oh right, I was talking about the areas officialy controled by kurds, becuase kirkuk and mosul are disputed areas, but yeah am very aware of that, Im from kirkuk myself.. but even now we are the majority in kikruk ^^

It doesnt matter, there are only 20,000 christians, its not important.
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no they are not kalhur by talking like that you sound more rasitic than all other ones. YOu talk about all people are the same but are speaking specially about kurds persians and Iranians. The Iranians have the same language like we ut please most of kurds share culturell the same roots even with turks too! kurds are people for their own we donßt need people wo try to show us nearer to our enemys than we are. the relation chip between a kurd and persian is so big like the one between polans and russians but this two hate each other. I will never call a nation brother till they don´t gave us our rights our lands back. I have no problems with any nation. But it looks like this nations have problems with us and our idendity many of them would love to just assimilate us.
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Originally posted by Xorto

no this has nothing to do with the jews. the jewish old community(without the european ones) have mostly Haplogroup K2 which is an armenic haplogroup. I think that has more to do with the arabs of irak. I know that some kurds from their have mixed up with arabs. i know one girl even by myself. After Saddam get killed and Southkurdistan free. Many arabs moved to north. You can even find in hawler many arabs,assyrians today.
xorto haplo group K2 is an old haplogroup which was built  in  middle and southern part of iran long before dividing to other sub haplo groups. it is not armenian nor,arab or jews, but there are among all communities in middle east and europe and africa.
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'Y-Adam' > M168 > M89 > M304

The patriarch of Haplogroup J was born around 15,000 years ago somewhere in the Fertile Crescent, a region that today includes Israel, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.  The early farming successes of the Jlineages spawned population booms and encouraged migration throughout much of the Mediterranean region.  Both Haplogroup J and its subgroup J2 are found at a combined frequency of around 30 percent among the Jewish population.  The Cohen modal lineage is found in Haplogroup J*

Today the M304 marker appears at its highest frequencies in the Middle East, North Africa and Ethiopia.   In Europe M304 is seen only in the Mediterranean region. 

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'Y-Adam' > M168 > M89 > > M304 > M267

Haplogroup J1 emerged during the Neolithic Revolution in the Middle East.  Members of the J1 clans shared the farming successes of the other J Haplogroups.   In particular, some J1 individuals moved back into North Africa and were quite successful there as well as evidenced by the highest frequencies for J1 appearing in this region.  Other members of the J1 lineage remained in the Middle East, and some moved northward into Western Europe, where J1is found at low frequencies.
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'Y-Adam' > M168 > M89 > > M304 > M172

The M172 marker defines a major subset of Haplogroup J, which arose from the M89 lineage.  Today Haplogroup J2is found today in North Africa, the Middle East, and southern Europe.   As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry, this linage is found within Jewish populations.
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'Y-Adam' > M168 > M89 > > M9

The marker M9 first appeared in a man born around 40,000 years ago in present day Iran or south-central Asia.  This marked a new lineage diverging from the M89 Middle Eastern clan.  His descendants spent the next 30,000 years populating much of the planet.

This large linage, called the Eurasian Clan, dispersed gradually over thousands of years.  Seasoned hunters followed the herds ever eastward, along the vast 'highway' of the Eurasian Steppe.   Eventually their path was blocked by the massive mountain ranges of south-central Asia: the Hindu Kush, the Tian Shan and the Himalayas.  These three mountain ranges meet in the center of a region known as the Pamir Knot, located in present-day Tajikistan.  Here the tribes of hunters split into two main groups.  Some moved north into central Asia, others moved south into what is now Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent.  These different migration routes through the Pamir Knot region gave rise to separate lineages.  Most people of the Northern Hemisphere trace their roots to theEurasian Clan.  Nearly all North Americans and East Asians are descended from this man, as are most Europeans and many Indians.  [not a likely Haplogroup for Knowles]
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i have many turkish persian and arab friends. but the difference is i donßt mixe up politics with friendship. Kalhur you look to persians like brother maybe because you have persian friends.And thats why you maybe don´t want to seperate from iran But that shows how weak your charakter is. Ihave thousands of turkish friends and tell them all i want a free kurdistan and they know that. And if this people don´t want to be a friend of me anymore than they never were real friends to me.
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no they are not kalhur by talking like that you sound more rasitic than all other ones. YOu talk about all people are the same but are speaking specially about kurds persians and Iranians. The Iranians have the same language like we ut please most of kurds share culturell the same roots even with turks too! kurds are people for their own we donßt need people wo try to show us nearer to our enemys than we are. the relation chip between a kurd and persian is so big like the one between polans and russians but this two hate each other. I will never call a nation brother till they don´t gave us our rights our lands back. I have no problems with any nation. But it looks like this nations have problems with us and our idendity many of them would love to just assimilate us.
why should all the peoples in the region be enemies of kurds and hate kurds ??
kurds in turkey have lived hundred ofs years peacefully with turkish people and it was same in iraq and same in iran too.
kurde in turkey has been a nearly thousend year a part of turkey and so has been in iran too.
why suddenly they become enemy to each other ? isen't that because some politicians trying to make kurds enemy of all the nations around them?
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till 1925 half Mio killed Kurds from North 3000 villages destroyed with napalm. in irak till 1970 over 1 Million kurds get killed gased. since 1900 hundrets of thousand kurds get killed by iranians and their regimes (the palahvis with simko, gazi muhammed etc) and you call that peacefull living? You are no kurds you are an persian in my eyes and thats the last time i will response to your comments.  

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would you please tell me what you have untile now earned by nearly 30 years of civil war in turkey? how many cities are free from turkish army? if you start a war the result becomes war and destruction. i don't care what i am in your eyes. in my eyes all thepeoples how bring their nation in a war without calculating it's outcome are only damaging their nation. my identity as an ethnic kurd is mine no pkk or any other  organisation can take it away.

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Your identity as an ethnic Kurd would have been wiped away if there were no 'organisation' like PKK, PDK, PDKI, PUK. Do not forget that.

Ew hinde rêberên me darxistin, bu çi keko ? Simko yê Şikak, Qazi Muhammed, Şêx Seîd, Şeîd Riza - û çend serokê dî ?
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My mother side of the family many people have curly hair(similar to ancient iranian reliefs) and lite olive skin.  My fathers side most of them are pale white when not tanned.

As for me I have Dark brown hair with Hazel/Lite brown eyes, I sometimes get confused for a lite skin Indian.


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    @ideas i don´t mean this examples by half european i mean the most persian clips where they show half european half persian people to show how blond they are i hate this kind of stuff when persians or afghans show picture of blond childs or half europeans and try to look more blond than they are. Most persian are black-brown haired with brown and also common green eyes.  And when you show pictures of children you are just like this people. Don´t show pictures of childs. I know myself that there are many Blond people among Kurds expecials in North but not all.


I had blonde hair till the age of 7, now it's dark brown.  I still have some a few blonde hair on my eyebrows and side burns, also a little red hair around my chin.

I had few Persian friends in school all from Iran and they looked no different to me or other Kurds in my school.
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there are millions of kurds in turkey which do not belong to pkk and are kurds there are millions of kurds in iran which do not belong to pdk and are kurds . ethnicity  has nothing to do with  belonging to a  political parties specially those marxist- leninst one which in one hand are internationalist and in other hand  extem nationalist.Shocked like pkk. many of these organisation by starting a civil war caused  millions of dead  and all we have got is the little part of kurdestan in iraq which we have thanks to americans  for a lot for that. if saddam was still there we havent  that too. then saying if this political organisation  diden't exist we were no longer kurds is far from truth
we have been kurds with our tradition and language in thousends of years in iran , in iraq and in turkey too . but due to wars and displacements million of kurds have left their home and villages and been deported like in iraq causing a great damage to culture and identity. please no political propaganda for me . i have seen that by my eyes. no one in turkey ask themseleves when thousends of turks and kurds has been killed in civil war and hundreds have been excuted by turks why mister ebola. ocalan is still alive?Wink in turkish prisonShocked


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