Why Muslims are a dangerous people?!

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Answer the question, you are a Muslim, so are you dangerous?

Yes, I said in the first post of this thread that sometimes I am afraid of myself, Islam can brainwash me too, for example it is possible that I also think someone deserves to be stoned to death and then I throw a stone at him/her!

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Sounds like those are personal problems you have with yourself. My grandmother is a very devout Muslim, and she is against the Iranian regime, against all the barbaric punishments, etc... Looks like the problem isnt Islam, the problem is you yourself.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Answer the question, you are a Muslim, so are you dangerous? Yes, I said in the first post of this thread that sometimes I am afraid of myself, Islam can brainwash me too, for example it is possible that I also think someone deserves to be stoned to death and then I throw a stone at him/her!

Remember what Isa/Jesus said when the Jewish Pharisees wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery. "He who is without sin caste the first stone." In that case no one can caste the stone!

Originally posted by opuslola It also appears from a Christian viewpoint that the activity might well be stopped by Jesus, who might ask the pertinent question?

Originally posted by eaglecap Remember what Isa/Jesus said when the Jewish Pharisees wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery. "He who is without sin caste the first stone." In that case no one can caste the stone!

So he also didn't condemn this barbaric punishment, maybe he himself could throw the first stone, I doubt Jesus was a sinful man.

Originally posted by cavalry4ever Jesus was about mercy, not changing the form of punishment or the social structure of the society.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by cavalry4ever Jesus was about mercy, not changing the form of punishment or the social structure of the society.   I don't know why Christians represent Jesus as a humiliated man against the enemies, a poor person that people should just feel pity for him, probably for this reason Chrisitians stay silent against the Islamic oppression, what they can do is to just forgive them!!

Edited by Athena - 17-Nov-2010 at 22:44

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by opuslola It also appears from a Christian viewpoint that the activity might well be stopped by Jesus, who might ask the pertinent question? Originally posted by eaglecap Remember what Isa/Jesus said when the Jewish Pharisees wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery. "He who is without sin caste the first stone." In that case no one can caste the stone! So he also didn't condemn this barbaric punishment, maybe he himself could throw the first stone, I doubt Jesus was a sinful man.

I know Christians believe he was sinless but correct if I am wrong but I think Muslims also think Isa was sinless. The Pharisees were very self righteous and thought they were perfect (the law) so maybe he was condemning them for this. Of course Christian believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh and much more than a prophet but that is besides the point. He did not try to stop the barbaric act of stoning so maybe he was condemning their evil hearts instead. One wonders where was the man involved in this adultery.

I do believe in strict laws against adultery but not death but maybe fines and a few years in jail, depending on the case. The Victim should be allowed to sue as well, if that is needed. Jesus did not confront the wrong of living under Roman rule but he seems to have come to reform Jewish law and create a new covenant with the Jews and then the gentiles. This is why you have the old testament and the new testament-LOL

What is very sad is woman have been stoned for adultery, in the Muslim world, who were forcefully raped, that is insane.

Interesting quote I heard on TV. 

Thanks Opuslola, not too bad for a female, huh?   However, I have done a lot of editing.  I need to work a better system for writing out my thoughts while in the process of research.  It would be cool if the forums had a draft file, where we could keep post that are thought processing.  It is obvious when I am processing information, I should not be posting it, because it is gibberish. 

Edited by Athena - 18-Nov-2010 at 01:28

Cyrus,  as I learn about the ancient Cyrus and Zoroastrism, I want to change my user name.  I surely need to change what I said in the thread questioning Persian religion and war.  That was the mistake of reading biased history and not knowing any better. 

I read the original Puritans were really cool people, but each generation after the first generation that landed in the New Land, got worse.  Cyrus appears to be an extordinary person, but those who followed were not great in the same way. I think we can equate Cyrus' rise to power, with Constatine's  rise to power, and Mohammed's rise to power.  It is the perfect blend of a new religious insight and hope that attracts and motivates followers, with worldly power at the right time.  Daris the Great was not the good man Cyrus was, but he was an organizational genius, and it was this genius that made Persia a stable empire.  Jesus did not start a new religion, but it was Paul who was worldly enough to turn the religious insight into a religion, and is probably because of the oriental influence on Judism.. 

How open minded can we become, and how honest?  It takes different qualities for a nation to be both highly moral and strong.  Obama is an idealist, but is lacking in worldly strength.  Bush is a scandal but had a lot of worldly power until near the end.  Clinton is a good blend of the two, idealism and a wheeler and dealer who can say anything with a smile as long as it achieves his goal.  The present leader of Iran is appealing to those Iranians who will buy into his bid for power by appealing to their hatred of the US.  This is very worldly.  Like Bush's bid for power,, he is misusing religion.  Laden was wondering in a desolate region of the world, wanting the power and glory of his family back in Saudi Arabia and he catapulting himself from a no one body,, to a person known around the world,  by misusing relgion.  This unfortunately started a misguided Muslim movement we all regret.     

Behind every leader is followers, and perhaps we need to pay more attention to those followers, and  the circumstances?  I will fall back on what I said about about the Brittan and the US causing a problem with Muslims.  And go back to what I said about many of these folks living as people lived in ancient times, and suddenly having the technology and weapons of this century.  Talk about culture shock the trauma to a belief system and social order.  These folks have to be dealing with some pretty heavy duty culture shock.  But there is more to be said.  Leaders are brought up by the wave of circumstances.  Obama won by  a land slide because of the great opposition to Bush.  Another effect of Bush is the current leadership of Iran and determination of develop nuclear capabilities.  This too is a counter- Bush reaction.  However, Obama's failure to have earthly power is troubling.  Jesus didn't have earthly power and given his circumstances he could not.  Cyrus had earthly power and used Zoroastrian to revolutionized Persia,, but following Persian leaders focused on worldly power and were not good for their religious movement. 

See this play of powers?  The religions get politicized and become destructive forces.  We must separate the religions from politics, because human beings can not know the will of God, and none of us should back a leader with the belief that leader is doing the will of God. 

I feel like I have just spent days working on a very complex math problem.  Why Muslims are dangerous people is exactly the same reason Christians can be dangerous people POLITICS AND BEING WORLDLY.   

Edited by Athena - 18-Nov-2010 at 12:11