Quran 33:50, what is your interpretation?

It means just what it says, that is if you are a beliver, then you "must" follow "God" or "Allah" if you are to remain in his favor! This is a personal thing, and not a political thing!

Pbth, who would give up his life (but not take the lives of the innocent) to proclaim one's truths!

Regards,

I think that Quran is quite a political book. It` more close to Manifesto than humane book with moral lecture. Оbviously Quran talking about two kind of human-believers (followers of the Prophet) and disbelievers (everybody else), not to all humanity. To disbelievers so called Allah (from this chapter) prepare punishment, battle, army of believers and such an aggressive things. This can`t be image of ultimate God, because this God take a side into political conflict. If this God would be create whole universe, then this is one imperfect God because he create one imperfect world (because of the disbelievers). Christian scholasticism have a formula: "God`s plans and deeds are unknown to human nature". In Quran everything is much more simplify and plain. It`s formula is: "Be afraid by Allah`s punishment and don`t ask too much!". I also can`t imagine Jesus to says something like:

Edited by Kanas_Krumesis - 18-Feb-2010 at 10:58

Ok, it is better to say Muhammad was a normal human being, and probably the only prophet who has a believable character, he had no magical stick and he couldn't raise the dead, his religion has a name, namely Islam, and it didn't relate to a person or an ethnic group, like Christianity and Judaism, of course Muhammad was an Arab and Islam is based on the Arab culture, so especially about women it couldn't be better than this!

Cryptic, I know well about this past standarts of marriage age. But often 13 years old girls have  process of puberty along with enough physical changes to do sex or to have children. It`s hard to say this about six or seven years old girls or ever ten. My close friend have daughter on 9 years and this is a child in every aspect. Of course we have curiosity ever right here in Bulgaria: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Bulgarian+schoolgirl,+11,+gives+birth+on+her+wedding+day!-a0210966882

Originally posted by Cryptic Just out of curiosity, does the Koran or Hadith recognize Christ's miraculous abilities (raise dead, multiply food, calm storms etc.)?

Dear Cryptic, since this thread has already been distracted and since I seem unable to make any real logical sense of the specific verse, I did notice that you wrote;

"A good example is Joseph Smith and Mormonism in the USA. Joseph Smith did violate cultural marriage norms. The result was that most potential converts became alienated and Mormonism never grew beyond an isolated sect."

I would certainly argue that the "CJCLDS", which is my abbreviation for the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", is but an "Isolated sect!" Certainly in numbers this "sect" is not "Isolated" but an accepted part of most communities across the USA! They, in fact, actually control one state of the USA in particular!

No, it there is any "isolated sect" within the USA it is Mohammedanism! Now matter how great its power in the rest of the world, it is still basically "isolated" and more of a "sect" than most all of the Christian and Jewish thought within the USA!

Perhaps even Buddhism, Hinduism and Native American religion, have more supporters within the USA?

But, perhaps some people here might tend to argue this point?

If so, please do not expect me to participate!

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 19-Feb-2010 at 18:03

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri [quote=Cryptic]   and then says about Christians:   3:55-56 Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. ... And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

Edited by Kanas_Krumesis - 20-Feb-2010 at 06:23

Quran is a book of hadith. and give us bundle of knowledge.