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Topic: Iranian Shahs / Policies Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 19:52 |
Pardon me all! Why don't we really state just why Iran is now called Iran? For many years it was referred to as Persia! Suddenly, it seems, it became Iran! Myself, and others, infer that it became such because it really means "Aryan!"
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Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 19:54 |
My view is this;
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Persia_become_Iran
Or this?, from Wiki;
"Reza Shah ruled for almost 16 years until September 16, 1941, when he was forced to abdicate by the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. He established an authoritarian government that valued nationalism, militarism, secularism and anti-communism combined with strict censorship and state propaganda.[74] Reza Shah introduced many socio-economic reforms, reorganizing the army, government administration, and finances.[75] To his supporters his reign brought "law and order, discipline, central authority, and modern amenities - schools, trains, buses, radios, cinemas, and telephones".[76] However, his attempts of modernisation have been criticised for being "too fast"[77] and "superficial",[78] and his reign a time of "oppression, corruption, taxation, lack of authenticity" with "security typical of police states." [76]
In particular he clashed with Iran's clergy and devout Muslims. His laws and regulations required mosques to use chairs, all Iranian except qualifying Shia jurisconsults to wear western clothes including a hat with a brim, encouraged women to discard hijab, allowed mixing of the sexes. In 1935 bazaaris and villagers rose up at the Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad chanting slogans such as `The Shah is a new Yezid.` Dozens were killed and hundreds were injured when troops finally quelled the unrest.[79]"
Do any of you think that Nazism or Facism had anything to do with the above?
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Posted: 06-Feb-2010 at 08:59 |
Originally posted by opuslola
My view is this; Do any of you think that Nazism or Facism had anything to do with the above?
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No.
The Shah's inspiration more likely came from neighboring Turkey where Kemal Ataturk had successfully carried out similar reforms with a Muslim society and governed from a right wing- nationalistic perspective.
Fascist states did not suppress traditional religous / cultural practices like Ataturk and the Shah did. Instead, they encouraged them as a source of national identity and strength. Franco's Spain with Catholicism is the strongest example, but Italy and Lebanon also promoted traditional culture.
As a side note, prior to the civil war, fascist leaning Spanish girls went so far as to refuse to dance modern steps and would only wear traditional folk dresses. Any potential suitors needed to learn traditional Spanish folk dances.
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Posted: 08-Feb-2010 at 11:59 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Pardon me all! Why don't we really state just why Iran is now called Iran? For many years it was referred to as Persia! Suddenly, it seems, it became Iran! Myself, and others, infer that it became such because it really means "Aryan!"
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Despite of on topic, I think that reason was mostly political. Shah wanted to declare one common state to all iranic nations. Not only to persians (just one of the ethnic groups) which present around 51 % of the population, but also to Kurds, Mazandarani, Lurs, Gilaki, Baluchi and Talish. Pahlavi's dynasty come from Mazandaran and their rule mark off era of long time Turkic dominance in Persia. They also want to isolate large turkic-speak minority (today over 1/4 of the population in Iran) from government.
"Aryanam" was name of all region and empire during Achaemenids and Sassanids. Persians were dominant tribes group, but not the only one. Medes had a status of foederati. Bactrians were also very important tribe group to empire. There was also Parthians, Hyrcanians, Arachosians and others. All they were linguistic and cultural close. System of "satrapies" create something like union at the head of persians. Name Persia come mainly because greeks. \
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Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 15:06 |
In short, here it is:
Iranians have always called Iran, Iran (or other variations such as Aryana, Eran, etc...).
The term Persia comes from the Greeks and is based on the name of the Area where Cyrus the Great came from. For example, Parsa, as we like to call it, is known as Persepolis (Greek for Persian City).
Reza Shah merely told the world to refer to his country with the word Iranians have always used to describe it, Iran, rather than Persia.
Your mistake is assuming that Persia is Iran's name just because Westerners have called it that for centuries. Iran is not "now" called Iran, it has been called Iran for 2000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_naming_convention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%28word%29
What were Reza's motivations? Perhaps he wanted to replace the negative image which Persia had under the Qajars.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 19:15 |
What were Reza's motivations? Perhaps he wanted to replace the negative image which Persia had under the Qajars
And, perhaps he was, like the Nazi's a supporter of Ayran dominance? There exists an old term called "Strange bedfellows!"
Funny that Ayran / Arian / Ayrian / Iran supremacy started about the same time?
But, of course, I could be and often can be found to be, wrong?
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Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 21:15 |
It is really difficult to know what Reza Shah's motivations were, several countries have different names in different languages, for example we call Greece "Yunan" (Ionia) and Greeks themselves call it "Hellas", the interesting thing is that Ionia is not even located in modern Greece, maybe Reza Shah really wanted to say to the world that we are the true Aryans.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2010 at 07:05 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
It is really difficult to know what Reza Shah's motivations were, several countries have different names in different languages, for example we call Greece "Yunan" (Ionia) and Greeks themselves call it "Hellas", the interesting thing is that Ionia is not even located in modern Greece, maybe Reza Shah really wanted to say to the world that we are the true Aryans. |
Turkey call too Greece " Yunan " what fluky :D
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Posted: 23-Feb-2010 at 08:48 |
Reza, like Turkey's Kemal Ataturk sought to modernize their nations even if it meant the sacrifice of a rich heritage. Perhaps he felt that the only way his nation would be able to defend its own interests was to take some western qualities and incorporate them into Iran. In some ways the same motivation drove Japan in the Meiji period.
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