Yea, we got a bit of that Eastern snow over here int he Midwest but that was on Friday, its mostly melting now again.

Yea, I think we're supposed to be getting 8 inches either tomorrow or Wednesday.

Global Climate Change is more accurate.  Have your fun, Fact- for the first time in recorded history, Greenland is now able to grow short to mid season vegetables in quantities that allows them to export. 

I agree Redclay! A more correct wording might be best described by your wording, "Global Climate Change!", which is, it seems, the natural course for the world! And there cannot be any argument with the previous words, which again I repeat the word "natural!"

What I hate to read, are the "dire" warnings that appear in both print and in spoken form, of catastrophic changes, or like TGS said "irreversible" changes!

The use of words like those above are not "fact" but "speculation" and based upon the accuracy of the data that is fed into certain "SuperComputers", which then spit out some "possibities!" Note that the key word there is "possibilities!"

And, speaking about "possibilites", I recently read somewhere that Meteorological reports from Russia and other places was not a part of the latest warnings from England, etc.!

If indeed the above is true, then it seems more clear that the absence of this data, would necessarily induce a result closely related to the old proverb "Junk in, junk out", although I don't think "junk" was the most correct word for me to use? It would be thought that information from the largest country on the planet, might well induce some changes in future predictions? As I said, I cannot remember the source of the above, nor can I state that any of it is even true! So, it can be taken for whatever it is worth, which might well be "nothing!"

And, yes TGS, I do recognize that these shouts of "disaster", have not precluded a "new Ice Age!" Heck, you must cover all of the bases!

And, while not exactly "alarming data" please read this?

Glaciers that are actually growing right now!

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/12-more-glaciers-that-havent-heard-the-news-about-global-warming

As for myself, I look with interest at the sea level just about 1,500 metres from my front yard, and with interest a mere 5 to 8 metre rise would make my house a "beach front" home! My property value would, (like power rates if we adopt Obama's "cap and trade" plan)"Skyrocket!" Wow!

And, just for fun, can we suppose (fictional) that turning the clock back, that there has been developed on this planet, as scientific communnity of comparable degree with our present one, a human race scattered across the world, that has grown and prospered during a period of the past, whereby almost all glaciers had either disappeared or mostly disappeared for many generations, or maybe only for 500 to 600 years, and suddenly these scientists discovered that over 12 of the remaining 20 glaciers on the planet were beginning to grow? After all by then many great cities (and nations) had been founded upon the limits of the sea level that is much higher than today's. Maybe 50 to 100 meters or more?

Upon what scientific data would they have based their predictions upon? You have to assume that they knew that over 600 years in the past, large glaciers were most everywhere on the planet. Thus the possibility that these hundreds or thousands of glaciers might again take up fresh water resources from the planet and suspend them in ice, and thus render all of the port cities of the planet suspended well inland. That vast areas of the Earth would lose their estuaries and large areas on the continental shelves would be again exposed, etc. The vast farmlands in Canada and Siberia would freeze over! etc.

Would the vast amount of scientific minds of those times rejoice? Would they or the vast number of people well set in their ways also rejoice? Or, would they be afraid?

What would these scientists shout as a warning to the world? Or would they shout "Hoo Rah?", and welcome the change?

You see my friends, the above events have already happened, but the difference is that there was no Al Gore around then shouting "End of the World!"

By the way the source for Redclay's Greenland information can be found here;

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html

A "Return to the Middle Ages?" See here; http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090426025131AAHmuNn

Independence for Greenland! Remove the shackles of the Mother Country!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/magazine/27wwln-phenom-t.html

See behind every bad report, there is sometimes a "silver lining!"

Could the development of genetic enginered potatoes (see I spell like one of our past V. Presidents!) have anything to do with the rising production of them in Greenland?

Also, somewhere I have also read that most of the Greenland Ice cap is already "displacing water!" If this is true then the melting of it would not necessarily create a rise of 7 to 8 meters? Sorry I cannot give you the source for the above! But, all of the information I can now find disputes this. If it were so, then the 3,000 meter high ice cap would also go 9,000 meters into the ocean! OK! I will call this a no brainer! My fault.

By the way do either of you support Atomic Energy? It seems to me to be the most effective way to replace our coal technology! Other wise I might well be "tilting at windmills?" ("tilting" means "jousting", not tipping them over!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

By the way Redclay, you wrote;

"When are folks going to wake up? Forget about the Thames, we're talking hell freezing territory."

Hey Guy! Haven't you heard? Hell has frozen over! The Saints just won the Super Bowl! Laugh!

En garde!

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 09-Feb-2010 at 15:12

It's good to hear someone has sun.

 Taking back my hijacked thread.