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    Posted: 05-Oct-2019 at 17:48
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I'm not really sure of the last post of "Ron - opuslola" !   And, I seem to feel that not all of the words of his were probably understood!  
Ron seems to act as any good teacher would, that is, he would not reveal his answer, instead he seemed to be leading those few who actually responded to make the correct answer(s) and understand the importance of his lesson plan!  Thus he tries to make the reader understand that the "CHRIST" was placed in a position that "CHRIST" and His/her life during the reign of two famous rulers of the so called "ROMAN EMPIRE!"   
Thusly, the considered life of the "Anointed One" provided a pivot for the dating of these so called "Roman" Caesars lives and their histories!  And writers of the past began to connect by hook or by crook to connect the lives of these Caesars to a mess of connections involved with the lives of the Pharos's of Egypt, and too the Rulers of Greece, Asia Minor, Iran, etc., etc.!!   
Remember that the celestial record of Solar Eclipses and those of Lunar, and other big events such as volcanic eruptions, floods, fires, Comet's and special battles and other events were targeted and used as large points of history!   
That is, numerous commentaries of the powerful leaders of certain sections of the world were forever imbedded within the commentaries of local historians and their comments were borrowed and connected to other powerful personages.   
But! in those days (before the printing press) these histories were of a local nature, so King John I, was placed in the local history as assuming the powers of the King in the 30th year of his predecessor of at the death of him/her, or some other event, such as a very fierce comet was seen in the heavens, a volcano blows, the Sun was covered by a shadow, a great earth quake, a river floods, crops all die, a tempest, etc..!   A fleet of war-ships defeated in battle, or whole armies destroyed!  etc..
Or in other sources you will find words like this 230 years after of the death of our LORD!, etc.  meaning from the death and resurrection of JESUS, or "the/our LORD!"  
It is obvious that any comment like the above would make anyone figure that the "Death and Resurrection of Jesus" had already been decided!  And any powerful CHURCH will substantiate that the above was correct, since they worked out this day for decades!  Science had proved the very instant of "The Passion and Resurection " of Jesus was proved via the ability of astrologist to back-track celestial events by scientific methods, I.E. MATHS!  
I will it to the reader to connect the points!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2014 at 16:43
Look guys, the date of the birth was basically based upon the "transformation" or the date of his death and resurrection Paschal/Easter)!

Only then were the Biblical accounts of his life time and the Ruler of Rome, and Judea at this time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2014 at 16:39
Originally posted by medenaywe

link does not works Ron!Jump me!Smile


Medenaywe, please just copy and paste this;

http://www.bing.com/search?q=wiki+Egyptian_calendar&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=MDDCJS

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2014 at 16:15
What about the Julian Calendar? Just what person was the most responsible for the change? If it was so correct then just why did the Julian system continue to rule in some countries for many years?

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Ron: I have so little interest in the Fomenko school of thought, that I simply couldn't be bothered researching some of his ramblings.
 
I'm happy to live in ignorance and take the Gregorian Calendar as fact.
 
If I'm wrong, so are billions of others, I can live with that.Clown 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 23:29
But, my respected friend, one must try to understand just how we have received the chronology we now easily use between friends? It did not just appear to one or more experts of the past in a dream from GOD!

It was massaged and squeezed and matriculated from a large mess of crap!

I still ask from you as from others, to show me any "any" source from before the Tenth century CE, that is recognized as an original piece of evidence upon which all chronology should be bound upon?

I would bet you cannot present me with one? If indeed you do find something that you would bet your life upon, then find me one from 500
Ce? Or 200Ce, etc. Soon you will run out of "sure things", and of that I am "SURE!" Smile!

Certainties from before the mass acceptance of the printed word from a printing press, are few and far to be found, if indeed any can be presented without prejudice!!

Even documents from the American revolution, seem to be in danger of turning to dust! Just what was the result of a famous historians trip within Italy searching for "Original" documents, as written by his own hand in the 19th century CE? His name was: Greogorovius!

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Gregorovius"

And his research into early Roman history is available for any one to read. Most all libraries were in horrible condition, and a lot of old manuscript's were brittle with age or already turned to dust!

Regards and Prost!, Ron

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2014 at 18:24
Originally posted by opuslola

Didn't really want to appear so rude. Of course I do not know.

Sorry Ron

So, go toyomotor and "light up our lives!"

My salivary glands are getting tired. smile

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Sorry, didn't mean to be rude. It's just that this Fomenko thing that you're so engrossed in, imho, is Historic Revisionism at its best, and can become very frustrating.
 
I've conceded points on WHAT IF Jesus wasn't born (if in fact he was born at all) when it's said he was.
 
IF he wasn't born when we think, then all dates currently in use are redundant, I accept that.
 
BUT, if we simply forget about JC and concentrate on the Gregorian Calendar, accept it as being accurate, then everything falls into place. If it's not quite the correct place, so be it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2014 at 16:43
link does not works Ron!Jump me!Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2014 at 16:39
For instance see;



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_calendar



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2014 at 16:33
Please "jump in" medenaywe!

Give us your answer!

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Didn't really want to appear so rude. Of course I do not know.

Sorry Ron

So, go toyomotor and "light up our lives!"

My salivary glands are getting tired. smile

Ron

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Originally posted by medenaywe

12 August in Roman calendar was what day in Egyptian calendar?



Ron: Who cares???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 00:17

12 August in Roman calendar was what day in Egyptian calendar?

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Originally posted by Sidney

According to Fomenko the crucifixion occurred in 1185 AD, and Jesus was born in 1152 AD. Thus Jesus was born over 600 years after the invention of the numbering system that was named after him.

Fomenko claims that Jesus was born in the 27th year of the reign of Caesar Augustus, who according to Fomenko is Constantine the Great (who therefore gave Christianity state tolerance before Christianity existed). He makes Julius Caesar out to be Constantine Chlorus.

According to Fomenko's theory Cleopatra died fourteen years after the death of Constantine Chlorus in 306 AD, and seventy four years before the death of Augustus Caesar in 44 AD, which works out to be 1122 AD.

I thought this chap was a mathematician?
    


I agree with you, I disagree with revisionism!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 00:04
Originally posted by opuslola

But toyomotor, it means a lot less than you can absorb in large dosages! Smile

Harsh, narrow minded and confrontational. You were fuming? No wheres near what I was after reading your standard regurgitation of the thick headed isolationist mantra, and being referred to as a" loonie" releases me from any restraint.

This site promotes accuracy, it also is enlightened enough to entertain ideas that have previously been ignored. The old isolationist tactic of calling any evidence of contact a "hoax" won't fly here. It's your only option, I realize this, as there is no way to prove no contact.

Thus she dies upon the 12th of "Agustomas"

Sorry have to run.

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No, I wasn't fuming. No I didn't call you "loonie". Nor did I use the word "hoax". I'm aware of your revisionist views, with which I disagree, but I'll defend to the death.......etc.
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According to Fomenko the crucifixion occurred in 1185 AD, and Jesus was born in 1152 AD. Thus Jesus was born over 600 years after the invention of the numbering system that was named after him.

Fomenko claims that Jesus was born in the 27th year of the reign of Caesar Augustus, who according to Fomenko is Constantine the Great (who therefore gave Christianity state tolerance before Christianity existed). He makes Julius Caesar out to be Constantine Chlorus.

According to Fomenko's theory Cleopatra died fourteen years after the death of Constantine Chlorus in 306 AD, and seventy four years before the death of Augustus Caesar in 44 AD, which works out to be 1122 AD.

I thought this chap was a mathematician?
    


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But toyomotor, it means a lot less than you can absorb in large dosages! Smile

Harsh, narrow minded and confrontational. You were fuming? No wheres near what I was after reading your standard regurgitation of the thick headed isolationist mantra, and being referred to as a" loonie" releases me from any restraint.

This site promotes accuracy, it also is enlightened enough to entertain ideas that have previously been ignored. The old isolationist tactic of calling any evidence of contact a "hoax" won't fly here. It's your only option, I realize this, as there is no way to prove no contact.

Thus she dies upon the 12th of "Agustomas"

Sorry have to run.

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According to historians, Cleopatra died on August 12, 30 BC.

But, using the Fomenko theory, that all depends on exactly when Jesus was born.

When Jesus was alive, what calendar did they use? And according to that calendar, when was he born, it obviously wasn't the year zero.
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