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    Posted: 27-Nov-2009 at 19:58
Since this is the "Alternative history" section, I thought I'd post this little ditty now.

Please take a close look at this map reportedly describing the Ottoman and Eastern Byzantine Empire about 1450 CE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eastern_Mediterranean_1450_.svg

Please feel free to find a similar map showing the empire of Alexander the Great, after he invaded Asia Minor. If you find one please post it also!

But, you just might know from your own readings that Alexander reportedly did not really go very far into Greece proper but basically had voluntary support from the Pelopenese area, IE Sparta, after his first great incursions. So, the Southern part of Greece was not really an area that he conquered by force of arms. Please note again the map of 1450 CE! Note that the Ottoman Empire encompasses the area we now consider as Macedonia, and parts of Asia Minor, and parts of Greece, except for Southern Greece.

You might well remember that Alexander was not reported to have attacked Constantinople / Byzant when he entered Asia Minor!

Just why would he avoid it, and also miss a very narrow passage into Asia Minor? Instead he reportedly crossed into Asia Minor a good deal to the West of Constantinople, as a point that was a good deal wider than what he would have found at Constantinople / Byzant to the N. East!

Again, notice that the Ottoman Empire also does not include it either, since reportedly they had yet to conqueror it, but they do control a large portion of Europe literally surrounding Byzant.

It is also known that the capital of the Ottomans was located not in Asia Minor but in Europe, at Adrainople! What we do not really know is whether the European conqests of the Othman's was the first area under their control or a part of Asia Minor! Or do we?

Also note that a large part of Asia Minor was not under Ottoman control in 1450, although Byzantium was reportedly conquered before the rest of Asia Minor, IE to the East!

Alexander, also reportedly conquered the Western part of Anatolia before conquering the Eastern part! Or at least that is the theory!

So, do any of you see very obvious comparisions? or similarities?

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2010 at 14:57
Why yes, Ron I do see some obvious similarites! With but a few differences, all of which can be explained by normal means, it seems both of these empires basically occupied, for a while at least, the same parts of the world!

Could it be that we are missing something?

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 19:30
Oh! Ron, I see some relationship, or at least some possible relationship between the words "Macedonian" and "Makkadonian!", or even "Meccadonian!", just what could this mean?

Is "Mecca" the same as "Makka?"

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 19:34
Ron baby! I also seem to see some relationship, no matter how tenious, between the words "Othman" and "Ottoman!" Could there exist some relationship between anyone named "Otto" and someone named "Otho?"
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2010 at 19:08
Yes, Ron I do see that MAKKA and MECCA are related!

But, just what could that lead to?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 09:51
http://library.thinkquest.org/10805/alexmap.html

This is a map of Alexanders questionable empire.  I question his empire because he didn't live long enough to rule it.  Vikings and Mongols raided large areas too, but does this qualify as having empires?  

Didn't the Ottoman Empire actually mean persistent rule over the people of the area conquered?   What qualifies an empire?  Should not this mean a stable form of government that last at least a couple of hundred years?   Why do we make such a big thing over what Alexander did and pretty much ignore Genghis Khan anyway?  Wouldn't it better to compare these two, than to compare Alexanders conquest with the Ottoman Empire?  I am just asking.  I really don't know enough to be sure.

Hum how about comparing the Vikings with Mongols wouldn't that be an interesting comparison to make?  Then who great is Alexander compared to them?  Like what is it that makes him so great?


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  Quote DreamWeaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 10:48
How important was Byzantium as a city at that point when Alexander was trapsing by? Was it worthy of the effort? Its later greatness and importance dont neccessarily correlate to its prior existance.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 10:54
Hey!  You 2 butt out.  Ron was doing fine, all by himself.Wink I just want to be around when he posts something he doesn't agree with.Big smile
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 11:02
I am finding Ron extremely beneficial.   He stimulates me to question things, and this leads me to googling for more information, and than I learn things I didn't even know there was to learn.   For example, he brings up Macedonian which is about the greatness of Alexander, which makes me question his greatness, and this makes me question the greatness of Peter the Great as well, which leads to discovering something every interest about the Scots.  Now I am opening a thread about the Scots.  

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 17:15
Thank you Carol, opening minds is my profession! Remember "A mind is a terrible thing to waste!"

Small connections exist most everywhere, connecting the dots of connections can sometims paint a picture!

Most don't get it or want it!

Hope you do?

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2010 at 20:08
Originally posted by Carol

I am finding Ron extremely beneficial.   He stimulates me to question things, and this leads me to googling for more information, and than I learn things I didn't even know there was to learn.   For example, he brings up Macedonian which is about the greatness of Alexander, which makes me question his greatness, and this makes me question the greatness of Peter the Great as well, which leads to discovering something every interest about the Scots.  Now I am opening a thread about the Scots.  
 
 
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2010 at 03:23
I would prefer to use the term "overwhelming quality strategy!"

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2010 at 12:54
Don't be afraid Red Clay! If certain posters here, actually backslide in my direction, they will not be harmed!

Education, in any form, is still, EDUCATION!

If I provide some suggestions, or comments, or challenges to our currently accepted time-line, then you, as one secure in the confines of it, should "merely stay quiet" on the sidelines!

After all, all of the momentum is on your side!

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2010 at 13:00
DW, wrote a while ago;

"How important was Byzantium as a city at that point when Alexander was trapsing by? Was it worthy of the effort? Its later greatness and importance dont neccessarily correlate to its prior existance."

Funny you should ask! We are actually led to believe that Constantine found this area almost naked in regards to ports, or cities, etc.! And, if we are to believe the early reports, his first choice, located somewhere near "Troy", was thrown out, and "Byzant" was his next, and final choice for his "Neo-Polis!"

But, just who am I to contradict the commonly agreed upon history?

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Well a city had existed there for a considerable time before hand, it just suddenly got alot more important after Constantine.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2010 at 08:59
It seeems that Byzant was also ignored by the Persians! Just why would the most narrow passage to Europe be ignored by both the Greeks and the Persians? Of course we are told that the Ottomans did not have to even consider being repulsed for many years, they were reportedly "invited" to cross into Europe by the Byzantines! And, during their attacks upon Byzant they were reportedly based in Adrianople / Hadrianople!

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http://romeartlover.tripod.com/Edirne1.html



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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2010 at 17:42
In other words, my above post would tend to indicate that the Othmans / Ottomans had already occupied a rather large portion of Europe, before they began the "final solution!"

Byzant, was it appears, surrounded on all sides, but still held a strangle hold on E. to W. trade via the passage from one to another, a canal if you must! And with the occupation of part of this territory by certain Italian groups, such as the Venetians, Florenzians, Pisans, etc., they provided a choke point on sea trade across this area!

Did religious division actually cause the fall of Byzant to the Othman Empire?

Can anyone tell me how the correct term "Othmen" or "Othman" was converted to "Ottoman, Ottomen?"

I would surely like to know the answer, as well as a believable reason?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Dec-2010 at 14:05
Re. Previous mention of Makka, and Mace as in Macedonia, etc.

Would it surprise any of you to know that the very name Muhammed" or "Mohammed", or "Mehmet", etc., has been written or translated as "MACHOMET?" That's correct "Mach-omet!" Please see;

http://books.google.com/books?id=z_WLwa-CsbIC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=machomet&source=bl&ots=Od9f0iewFF&sig=8HeWAOZJcK7Dyh6rQVZ5h_0fNUM&hl=en&ei=ZIEbTb72IMT58Aa9qYGfDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=machomet&f=false

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You all are close to something...but will not find solution in word play game...Alexander was idea for many of them after his death...But memory that they were once together, like a storytelling, have survived until today...Religion separated them...and made the enemies from same people once..Egypt and civilized life in this area, we know like cycle for at least 7000 years and more...But name of main doers in this  complex society is still unknown...In fact this is main history forgery and case of stolen identity of human entity in all Mediterranean area...Those  people  were  main actors in Iliada and Oddysy...And they were goat pharaons.They  migrated  all around  Mediterranean  sea...I prefer Mo...for Mohamed ..or Mo Ha Me Di...You have Di/Do/Da/De...All of them are good for making a logical sentence...Syllables were there homeland...until now,just trust me...
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