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Mazani people are an Iranian-speaking people who live in Mazandaran province in the north of Iran, the original name could be "Hamazane" (Hama+Zane), "Zan" is the only Persian and Mazani word for "Woman", of course it comes from the verb "Zadan" which means "to give birth to, to generate".

The first part of the word can be "Hama": http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=same&searchmode=none

same Look up same at Dictionary.com
perhaps abstracted from O.E. swa same "the same as," but more likely from O.N. same, samr "same," both from P.Gmc. *samon (cf. O.S., O.H.G., Goth. sama; O.H.G. samant, Ger. samt "together, with," Goth. samana "together," Du. zamelen "to collect," Ger. zusammen "together"), from PIE *samos "same," from base *sem- "one, together" (cf. Skt. samah "even, level, similar, identical;" Avestan hama "similar, the same;" Gk. hama "together with, at the same time," homos "one and the same," homios "like, resembling," homalos "even;" L. similis "like;" O.Ir. samail "likeness;" O.C.S. samu "himself").
 
In Persian "ham-" is used as a prefix almost the same as Greek "homo-" and "hama-" (together).
 
And the second part of the word is "Zane": http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=genus&searchmode=none
 
genus Look up genus at Dictionary.com
(pl. genera), 1551 as a term of logic (biological sense dates from 1608), from L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, kind," cognate with Gk. genos "race, kind," and gonos "birth, offspring, stock," from PIE base *gen-/*gon-/*gn- "produce, beget, be born" (cf. Skt. janati "begets, bears," janah "race," jatah "born;" Avestan zizanenti "they bear;" Gk. gignesthai "to become, happen;" L. gignere "to beget," gnasci "to be born," genius "procreative divinity, inborn tutelary spirit, innate quality," ingenium "inborn character," germen "shoot, bud, embryo, germ;" Lith. gentis "kinsmen;" Goth. kuni "race;" O.E. cennan "beget, create;" O.H.G. kind "child;" O.Ir. ro-genar "I was born;" Welsh geni "to be born").

Therefore "Hamazane" can certainly mean "Congener/Homogeneous" and particularly "Assembled Women".

The first part of the word could be also "Hauma", lets read what I said in old thread about Amazons: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3650
 

There were two types of Scythian tribes in the north of Iran: Saka Haumavargau (Amyrgioi Scythians) and Saka Haumazanu (Amazon Scythians), "Zan" in Persian language means woman and in Zoroastrianism "Hauma" is a sacred drink and also a powerful deity, in the middle Persian language, Haumazanu was simplified to "Mazan" and Mazan is the name of women who still live in Mazandaran province in the north of Iran.

If you remember I had posted a topic about Nizam-e Madarshahi dar Iran (The system of Mothers' reigning in Iran) in our old forum and I said there "From 7,000 years ago women started to organize small empires in the northern villages of Iran. These women always chosed their husbands from out of their villages and after one year living with them, they usually beheaded those poor men and used their bloods to fertilize their farms."

It is a fact which has been mentioned in Avesta, in modern times women don't kill men but it can be said that these are still women who rule in the villages of Gilan and Mazandaran in the north of Iran.

It seems strange but men work at home and women do hard work in the farms and other places!

http://www.parstimes.com/women/employment_rural_women.html

"Case studies show the situation of women and their labor force. In the villages of Gilan and Mazandaran provinces, women are considerably active and have a high share in productive activities. In the village of Ahandan in Gilan, women form 76 per cent of the labor force in rice-planting and 80 per cent in tea- planting."

"In most villages in Gilan and Mazandaran, a group of women under the supervision of a woman who is called "Mobasher" (Supervisor) go to the neighboring villages for weeding and planting seedlings."

 
There are a large number of villages in the fertile land of Mazandaran, in most of them women have a very important role, one of these villages is Alasht: http://www.chnpress.com/news/?section=1&id=1004
 

Walking in the streets of Alasht, men should remember that facing any woman they must lower their head and say hello, because there is the Village of women.

Tehran, Jul.7, 2005, (CHN) — Alasht, a small isolated village in Savad Kooh region, north of Iran, with brooks flowing along side its narrow cobblestone streets, is entitled “the town of women.”
In this small community men are supposed to greet women first and say “hello” before them, a sign of respect in Iranian culture, which is not very common among the other rural communities.
Entering the village, first you will face with the ruins of a helipad, and a deserted and dilapidated hotel whose broken windows have melancholy in their impression. But down there laying on the bottom of a valley, is the small village, Alasht.
Locals call this town Elasht, which means eagle sanctuary. But the experts do not still approve of this interpretation.
From the top of the mountains surrounding the village, any traveler may notice a small home-like building few hundred meters off the village, to which a narrow winding path is led.
As a matter of fact this building is a shrine called Dokhtar-e Pak (Immaculate Girl). Locals believe that this shrine belongs to a grand lady and according to an old superstition, men should not approach the shrine or they will be bitten by its guardian serpent. Every weekend women and girls pray in the shrine in the hope of meeting their wishes.
Dr. Parviz Varjavand, an expert of cultural heritage, believes that this shrine was devoted to performing Nahid’s (a Persian goddess) ritual and added that, “there has been no research performed about this place so far, and we can’t approve or refuse the hypothesis of Alasht being a sacred place for performing Mithraism rituals or those rituals for worshipping Nahid.”
Alasht is situated on the flank of mountain stepping down into a valley and the minaret of its architecturally unique mosque in the upper part of the village makes an outstanding landscape which marks the village.
The bitter cold of the winters causes locals wintering for warmer regions and the town would be empty of its inhabitants, while there always remains one woman or a family as the guardian of the village.
Women of Alasht are the core of their family, who like the mountains of their residence, are proud facing the difficulties of life.
Walking in the streets of Alasht, men should remember that facing any woman they must lower their head and say hello, because there is the Village of women.

Today I found a more interesting article about another village in Mazandaran, the article is in Persian language: http://www.chn.ir/news/?section=2&id=20122
 
The name of village is "Ask", there is an ancient festival in this village which is called "Zan-Shahi" (Woman-Kingship), on this fetvial, all men and boys have to leave the village, a woman is chosen as the king, some young women wear military-like uniforms and defend the village and arrest the men who dare to enter their realm. ...
 
The article is really interesting, I will translate it latter!  A Google Translation
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Cyrus, perhaps "Hamazane" literally meant "woman and mother", two natures and two minds?
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2009 at 05:07
It is possible, of course "Hama" doesn't mean mother!
 
I found something about Zanshahi Festival in English: http://landandpeople.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html
 
Aabesk (آب اسک) is a village in the north of Iran, 90 Km away fromTehran toward Caspian Sea. Every year and by the second month ofspring, people in Aabesk perform very interesting ceremony that is called, Barfchal (برف چال/ Barf: Snow / Chal: Ditch) and Zanshahi ( /زنشاهیZan: Woman / Shahi: Kingdom).

By the first or second week of the second month of spring, all men from 7 to 70 years old in the village go to the mountain and cut pieceof snow. Then they carry the cut pieces and bury them in a special ditch by 12meters depth and 10 meters width. During this time when men are out of the village, women perform a womanly ceremony and call the ceremony as “Women Kingdom”. During the day the whole village is under authority of women and they dance in the streets and present breakfast and lunch to the inhabitant. In case they find any man in the village they would catch him and detain him in a stable, or even hit him hard! So no man dares to remain in the village whatsoever! ....
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2009 at 11:19
It is good to read this thread: Amazons in the battle of Chaldiran (1514 AD)
 
I don't why Mazani women have always been very active in the Society, even in negative roles, I read in an Iranian newspaper that about 80 percent women who have been executed in Iran are from this region, some days ago a serial killer woman was executed, some months ago, as I said in this thread: Delara was excuted today because of her love!, and about 5 years ago, I said int his thread: Iran executes child for "acts incompatible with chastity":
 
She was sentenced to death approximately three months ago, by a lower court in Neka in the northern Iranian province of Mazandaran.
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