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    Posted: 13-Nov-2009 at 13:58
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I'm having a debate with someone and it's moved into an area that I am not so familiar with and would like your input. Here is the claim that I will attempt to dispute.
 
"ZIONISM AND WORLD WAR I

In the latter part of the 1800's, there arose in Europe a political movement known as "Zionism". Zionism in particular referred to the effort among certain jews to establish a jewish nation in the land of Palestine. Today, the term Zionism is more commonly applied to those jews who want to expand the borders of what was already established, at the expense of the Palestinians who once owned the land. In a more general sense, the term "Zionist" is also used to describe a certain element within the jewish community (not all of them!), who believe in Jewish Supremacy, thus putting their own interests ahead of those of the nation in which they reside. It is a mistake to assume that all jews are supporters of the "Zionist Mafia" or Jewish Supremacy. In fact, some of the strongest condemnations of Zionism and Jewish Supremacy comes from jews themselves! There exists an enormous collection of hard-hitting anti-Zionist writings compiled by such notable jewish authors, historians, and journalists as John Sack, 6 Alfred Lilienthal, 7 Noam Chomsky, 8 Israel Shahak, 9, Benjamin Freedman, 10 and Victor Ostrovsky 11 just to name a few. There is even a jewish religious group called "Neturei Karta, Jews United Against Zionism." 12 For their brave efforts, these men have had to tolerate vicious abuse from Zionist smear groups like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) - an organization which actually specializes in defamation!. So let us put to rest now and forever the slanderous lie, and strategic Zionist propaganda ploy, that labels anyone who dares to call attention to the dangers of the Zionist Mafia is an "anti-semite", a "hatemonger", or a "skin-head".

Now the Zionists of the late 1800’s faced one small problem with their bold takeover scheme of Arab Palestine. Palestine was under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Turkish Empire and the Arabs certainly weren't about to just give away prime real estate in Palestine to the Zionists of Europe. There were very few jews even living in Palestine and the jews had not controlled Palestine since the days of the Roman Empire. This destroys the commonly believed myth that the Arabs and the jews "have been fighting over that land for centuries". The handful of Arab jews who lived in Palestine got along well with their Muslim hosts and never expressed any desire whatsoever to overthrow the Ottoman rulers and set up a nation called Israel. The movement to strip Palestine away from the Ottoman Empire came strictly from European Zionists who had become very influential within several European nations.

As fate (or perhaps design) would have it, a great opportunity would soon present itself to the Zionist Mafia. There came in 1914 "The Great War" pitting the three powers of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turkish Empire against the three powers of England, France, and Russia. In the interests of staying on the subject of 9-11 and today's "War on Terrorism", we won't get into all of the underlying causes or the historical flow of World War I. What we need to understand is that the Zionists played an important role in dragging the USA into that bloody European war -  a war in which the US had no vital interests at stake whatsoever.

Here was the situation. By 1916, the Germans, Austrians, and Ottoman Turks had seemingly won the war. Russia was in turmoil and about to be swallowed up by communist revolution. France had suffered horrible losses, and Britain was under a German U-boat blockade. Germany made an offer to Britain to end the war under conditions favorable to Britain. But the British, and the international Zionists, had one more card to play!

The British government and the Zionist leaders struck a dirty deal. The Zionists were led by Chaim Weizmann, the man who one day become the first President of the State of Israel. The idea was for the Zionists to use their influence to drag the mighty USA into the war on Britain's side, so that Germany and it's Ottoman allies could be crushed. In exchange for helping to bring the USA into the war, the British would reward the Zionists by taking over Palestine from the conquered Ottomans after the war was over. The British had originally wanted to give the Zionists a jewish homeland in an African territory. But the Zionists were fixated on claiming Palestine as their land. Once under British control, the jews of Europe would be allowed to immigrate to Palestine in great numbers.

Zionists powerbrokers such as Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff, and many others immediately went to work to put the screws to President Woodrow Wilson. The Zionist influenced press, quickly transformed the German Kaiser and his people into bloodthirsty "Huns", determined to destroy civilization.  In 1916, the US, with the help of the Lusitania "incident", entered the war on Britain's side under the ridiculous pretext of "making the world safe for democracy".

Meanwhile in Germany - where Zionists also wielded tremendous influence in the press and industry-  enthusiasm for the war was suddenly watered down by Zionist run newspapers. Wartime labor-strikes in German weapons factories were organized by Zionist and Marxist union leaders. With the German branch of the International Zionist Mafia undermining Germany from within, and the English and American branches of the Zionist mafia pushing America to join the war, it wasn't long before the German, Austrian, and Ottoman Empires were defeated and their maps rewritten by the victorious powers at the infamous Treaty of Versailles in 1918. In addition to the numerous Zionist bankers who were influencing Versailles, the Zionists also had their own delegation which was headed by Chaim Weizmann.

Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration in November 1917, the same month that Germany surrendered. But it had actually been prepared 20 months earlier in March 1916 with Weizmann's influence. 13 The Declaration allowed mass jewish immigration to conquered Palestine while promising to preserve Arab rights. The Arabs living in Palestine weren't buying these promises. They protested, but there was nothing that they could do to stop the coming wave of jewish immigration. This was the first step in creating what was to later become the state of Israel 20 years later.

Years after the war, an American Zionist millionaire named Benjamin Freedman broke ranks with his fellow Zionists and turned against them. Freedman was the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company and was one of the many Zionists present at the Treaty of Versailles. Freedman was very well connected and had enjoyed access to several US presidents. Freedman grew disgusted with the criminal behavior of the Zionist mafia and dedicated much of his life and fortune to exposing the truth about both World Wars and the Zionist grip on America. According to Freedman, Wilson had been blackmailed by Zionists with the threat of a public disclosure of an old extramarital affair Wilson had when he was president of Princeton University. 14 Freedman's voluminous (and buried) writings and books on this subject are essential reading. One leader of the jewish Anti Defamation League - Arnold Forster- once described Freedman as a "self-hating jew." 15

We may debate as to exactly what extent this Zionist-British dirty deal was responsible for dragging the sons of America off to die in a European bloodbath. Some, such as Freedman, believe it was the only reason that the US entered the war. Others, such as this writer, believe it was a primary contributing factor. But let us at this point agree on this one irrefutable point: the Zionists had no aversion to seeing Americans die for their own selfish interests.  Even the Encyclopedia Britannica and Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia (look under "Balfour Declaration") confirm this little known fact of World War I. Here's the excerpt from Microsoft Encarta:

THE BALFOUR DECLARATION. The Balfour Declaration was a letter prepared in March 1916 and issued in November 1917, during World War I, by the British statesman Arthur James Balfour, then foreign secretary.... Specifically, the letter expressed the British government's approval of Zionism with "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." The letter committed the British government to making the "best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done to prejudice the rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." The immediate purpose was to win for the Allied cause in World War I the support of Jews in the warring nations and in the United States. As a result of the Balfour Declaration, Israel was established as an independent state in 1948 in the mandated area. 16 It's also worth mentioning at this point that when the British dismantled the Ottoman Empire after World War I, they created many smaller nations. The oil rich, puppet kingdom of Kuwait was formed by slicing off the southern coastal tip of what we now know as the nation of Iraq. As a result of this arbitrary redrawing of the Ottoman map, a bitter conflict was created between Iraq and Kuwait. Iraq has always considered Kuwait as its true southern province. This is what ultimately led to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1991 and the Gulf War. "
 
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2009 at 15:42
Originally posted by Bobalu


Meanwhile in Germany - where Zionists also wielded tremendous influence in the press and industry-  enthusiasm for the war was suddenly watered down by Zionist run newspapers.
Maybe 1.6 million war dead and increasingly severe food shortges as Germany was suffering from a British Blockade (by 1917, Germans in the north of the country were dying of malnutrition) was the actual reason why the German public lost enthusiasm for the war.
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Wartime labor-strikes in German weapons factories were organized by Zionist and Marxist union leaders.
This part is false. "Zionist unions" had nothing to do with German labor strikes. Marxist ideology did. As a side note, France also experienced socialist inspired labor strikes during WWI. Were the same "zionist unions" at work in France and Russia?
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The Zionist influenced press, quickly transformed the German Kaiser and his people into bloodthirsty "Huns", determined to destroy civilization.  
As with the zionist labor unions, the "zionist" press had little influence in demonizing Germany. Rather, British "Hun propaganda" started on the first day of the war. Real German atrocities in Belgium only fueled the British propaganda. The U.S. is an English speaking nation and it is only natural that Americans tended to read the British propaganda and eventually came to sympathize with it. Germans not only had a language barrier for their propaganda, but also they also had an ethnic and a cultural barrier.
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In addition to the numerous Zionist bankers who were influencing Versailles, the Zionists also had their own delegation which was headed by Chaim Weizmann.
As did Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Armenians, Greeks, Croats, Slovenians, etc etc


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Thanks Criptic!
 
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2009 at 08:10
Originally posted by Bobalu

Thanks Criptic!
 
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Your welcome. I re-read my and I hope that I did not sound sarcastic.
 
As a side note, I think the French colonial policy in Algeria may have influenced the British decision to allow Zionist settlement in Palestine. The French settled millions of poorer French, Spaniards, Italians, and Portuguese in Algeria.  This "Europeanized" Algeria and led to the annexation of Algeria as a part of France.
 
I do not think that the British ever intended to annex Palestine, but they may have been interested in settling a loyal, European derived population in the area that would make their control of the Palestinians easier. Zionist European Jews were natural partners. The British probably did not care whether the settlers were Zionist motivated or economicaly motivated (Algerian Europeans) so long as they were Europeans and were willing to settle there. 
 
Also, the French immediatly started to "Francocize" Lebanon. When the British saw this, they probably thought "We had better "Anglacize" Palestine.  European settlement worked well in Algeria, now if only we could find some settlers...."  


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  Quote Gold88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jan-2010 at 03:33
Those claims looks biased. I doubt Wilson had some big connection with Zionists. The reason why he entered the war was the provocation of Germany (Lusitania and Zimmerman Telegram) and his desire to get rid of German and Russian empires. Before the war he write that US cant go in alliance with Russia against Germany, because he feared that Entente victory would mean Russian dominance over Europe, only after Russian Revolution he agreed to enter war. He wanted to ensure new US global position and his new world order that had little to do with Zionist dream of Jewish state.

If you want to read good literature about Zionism read Walter Laquer A History of Zionism. It has very detailed look at American Zionist movement and other Zionist movements before 1948.   
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  Quote beorna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jan-2010 at 04:29
first of all I don't think there was a zionistic plan, all is said to this idea.
 
I just want to answer to Gold88. Of course the destruction of the Lusitania wasn't the best idea, but this ship transported amunition for GB and the US already supported the Entente against Germany. It is the same in WWII. Of course Germany declared the war on the US but the USA were supporting the allies and the Soviet Union since the beginning of the campaigns in the west and east. This is just my personal opinion, but somebody who is supporting my enemies with weapons and armorment is alrady in war with me. So the US war declaration was not a result of German provocations or the Lusitania, it was just an incident that made it popular to go on war with Germany.
 
And the second is the statement I often hear in discussions, that in WW I there fought the free and democratic states of the entente against the monarchist Germany. Well at first Russia was on the other side, the at this time, most undemocratic state. But as well UK, Italia and a lot of others were monarchies as well.
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  Quote Gold88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jan-2010 at 05:27
Yes the Lusitania and Zimmerman telegram was causus belli for US entering war. I should not use the word reason. The real reason witch I already stated is US desire to enter global politics and interfere in European affairs to form new world order. As for Russia, Wilson at 1914. did not want to go to war with any of those two sides. He wrote as cited from A. J. P. Taylor The Struggle for Mastery that victory of Germany would men rise of German tyranny and victory of Entente the rise of Russia so both sides were not acceptable to Wilson. He supported UK with resources because of of US business interests that is natural, he entered war after breakdown of Russian Empire, because now US cannot be allied with despot state and UK and France needed new help at the front. This was a good time to take vital step to make US a global superpower.  
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Opinions may differ, but facts remain facts...

Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine
by Samuel Landman

https://www.google.com/#q=samuel+landman+Palestine+amazon.com

This astonishing booklet, written by one of Britain's leading Zionists in the 1930s, shows how the Zionist lobby manipulated America into the First World War against Germany in exchange for the promise to give Palestine to the Jews as a homeland.This work was originally directed as a complaint against the British government for failing to live up to its promise after the Jewish lobby had lived up it to its promise. It lists the names, dates and places of how these remarkable events occurred, and even accused the British of endangering Jews in Germany at the time, where the Jewish role in bringing the U.S. into the war was well-known...

Zionist Samuel Landman:
"...the only way (which proved so to be) to induce the American President to come into the war was to secure the cooperation of Zionist Jews by promising them Palestine, and thus enlist and mobilize the hitherto unsuspectedly powerful forces of Zionist Jews in America and elsewhere in favour of the Allies on a quid pro quo contract basis. Thus, as will be seen, the Zionists having carried out their part, and greatly helped to bring America in, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was but the public confirmation of the necessarily secret "gentlemen's" agreement of 1916, made with the previous knowledge, acquiescence, and or approval of the Arabs, and of the British, and of the French and other Allied governments, and not merely a voluntary, altruistic and romantic gesture on the part of Great Britain as certain people either through pardonable ignorance assume or unpardonable ill-will would represent or rather misrepresent ... "
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