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    Posted: 26-Dec-2009 at 09:22
Originally posted by Messopotamian

F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!



Wow, pretty agressive reaction right here to a simple post....

No one is saying that Kurds are Persian and that Kurds shouldnt have a nation...calm down. The user simply pointed out linguistic similarities, WHICH DO EXIST, because as stated, we fall under the same language tree of Iranian languages.

English Zazaki Kurmanci/Sorani Pashto Balochi Mazandarani Persian Middle Persian Parthian Old Persian Avestan
beautiful rind rind/delal/cûwan ʂkulai/xkulai, ʂɑjista/xɑjista sharr, soherâ ṣəmxâl/ Xəş-nəmâ zibâ/ xuš-chehreh hučihr, hužihr hužihr naiba vahu-, srîra
blood goyni xwîn wina hon xun xūn xōn xōn
vohuni
bread nan nan ɖoɖəi, nəɣɑn nân, nagan nûn nân nân nân

bring ardene anîn/hênan, awirdin/hawirdin rɑ wɺ̡əl âurten, yārag, ārag biyârden âvardan/biyar âwurdan, āwāy-, āwar-, bar- āwāy-, āwar-, bar- bara- bara, bar-
brother bıra bira wror brāt, brās birâr barādar brād, brâdar brād, brādar brâtar brâtar-
come amayene hatin rɑ tləl āhag, āyag Biyamona, enen âmadan âmadan, awar awar, čām ây-, âgam âgam-
cry berbayene girîn ʒaɺ̡əl greewag, greeten bərmə/ qâ geristan/geryeh griy-, bram-


dark tari tarî tjɑrə thár siyo târîk târīg/k târīg, târēn
sâmahe, sâma
daughter/girl çena keç/kîj/kenîşk/dot lur dohtir, duttag kijâ/ dether doxtar duxtar duxt, duxtar
duxδar
day roce/roje/roze roj wradz roç rezh rûz rōz
raucah-
do kerdene kirin/kirdin kawəl kanag, kurtin hâkerden kardan kardan kartan kạrta- kәrәta-
door çeber derge/derî war, daɺ̡a gelo, darwāzag bəli dar dar dar, bar duvara- dvara-
die merdene mirin/mirdin mrəl mireg mərnen murdan murdan
mạriya- mar-
donkey her ker xar her xar xar xar


egg hak hêk/hêlik hagəi heyg, heyk merqâna toxm toxmag, xâyag taoxmag, xâyag
taoxma-
earth êrd (uncertain origin) herd/erd (uncertain origin) zməka zemin zemi zamin zamīg zamīg zam- zãm, zam, zem
evening shan êvar/êware mɑʂɑm/mɑxɑm begáh nəmâşun begáh sarshab êbêrag

eye çım çav/çaw stərga ch.hem, chem bəj, Çəş chashm chašm chašm čaša- čašman-
father pi bav/bawk/piya plɑr pit, piss piyer pedar pidar pid pitar pitar
fear ters tirs vera, tars turs, terseg təşəpaş tars tars tars tạrsa- tares-
fiancé washte dezgîran numzɑd nām zād xasgar nâm-zad - -

fine weş xweş/baş ʂa/xa wash, hosh xaar xosh dârmag

srîra
finger gisht til/qamik/engust gwəta lenkutk, mordâneg angoos angošt angust

dišti-
fire adır agir/atir wor âch, âs tesh âtaš, âzar âdur, âtaxsh ādur âç- âtre-/aêsma-
fish mase masî kab mâhi, mâhig mahi mâhi mâhig mâsyâg
masyô, masya
food / eat werdene xwarin/xwardin xoɺ̡ə / xwaɺ̡əl warag, warâk Xərak/ xəynen Gaza / xordan parwarz / xwâr, xwardīg parwarz / xwâr
hareθra / ad-, at-
go şiyayene çûn/çiyin tləl jwzzegh, shutin shunen / burden raftan raftan, shudan ay- ai- ay-, fra-vaz
god heq xwedê/xwa xwdai hwdâ homa, xəda khodâ bay, abragar
baga- baya-
good rınd baş, çak, rind ʂə/xə jawáin, šarr xâr xub / nîuū xūb, nêkog
vahu- vohu, vaŋhu-
grass vash giya, riwek, şênkatî wɑʂə/wɑxə rem, sabzag
sabzeh, giyâh giyâ dâlūg
urvarâ
great gırs / pil gir, mezin, gewre loj, ɣwara mastar, mazan gat, belang, pila bozorg wuzurg, pīl
vazraka- uta-, avañt
hand dest dest lɑs dast dess dast dast dast dasta- zasta-
head ser ser, kep sar, kakaɺ̡ai saghar kalə sar, kalleh sar


heart zerre dil zɺ̡ə dil, hatyr dil del dil dil
aηhuš
horse estor hesp/esp ɑs asp istar asp, astar asp, stōr asp, stōr aspa aspa-
house keye mal, hoz, xanu kor, xuna log, dawâr səre xâneh xânag

demâna-, nmâna-
hunger vêşan birçîtî/wirsêtî lwəʐa/lwəga shudhagh veyshna gorosnegi gursag, shuy


language (also tongue) zıwan / zon ziwan/ziman ʒəba zevân, zobân ziwân zabân zuwân izβân hazâna- hizvâ-
laugh huyayene kenîn xandəl khendegh, hendeg
xandidan xandīdan
karta Syaoθnâvareza-
life jewiyaene jiyan/jîn ʒwandun zendegih, zind
zendegi zīndagīh, zīwišnīh žīwahr, žīw-
gaêm, gaya-
man merd mêr, piyaw saɺ̡ai, meɺ̡ə merd merd mard mard mard martiya- mašîm, mašya
moon ashmê heyv/mang spoʐmai/spogmai, mjɑʃt máh mithra mâh māh māh mâh- måŋha-
mother maye dayik, mak mor mât, mâs mâr mâdar mādar mādar mâtar mâtar-
mouth fek dev/dem xwlə dap
dahân dahân, rumb

åŋhânô, âh, åñh
name name naw num nâm num nâm nâm
nâman nãman
night şewe shew, shewn, nutek ʃpa šap, shaw sheow shab shab
xšap- xšap-
open akerdene vekirin prɑnistəl, xlɑsawəl pabožagh, paç vâ-hekârden bâz-kardan abâz-kardan
būxtaka- būxta-
peace kotpy aştî roɣa ârâm
âshti, ârâmeš, ârâmî âštih, râmīšn râm, râmīšn šiyâti- râma-
pig xoz beraz xug, seɖar khug xi xūk xūk

varâza (wild pig)
place ja cih/şûn dzaj hend, jâgah
jâh/gâh gâh gâh gâθu- gâtu-, gâtav-
read wendene xwendin lwastəl wánagh baxinden xândan xwândan


say vatene gotin/wutin wajəl gushagh baotena goftan, gap(-zadan) guftan, gōw-, wâxtan gōw- gaub- mrû-
sister wae xweşk xor gwhâr xâxer xâhar/xwâhar xwahar


small qıc piçûk kutʃnai, waɺ̡ukai, kam gwand, hurd pətik, bechuk, perushk kuchak, kam, xurd, rîz kam, rangas kam kamna- kamna-
son qıj kur zoj baç, phusagh pisser pesar, pûr, baça pur, pusar puhr puça pūθra-
soul gan giyan arwɑ rawân
ravân rūwân, gyân rūwân, gyân
urvan-
spring usar bihar psarlai bhârgâh wehâr bahâr wahâr
vâhara- θūravâhara-
tall berz bilind/berz lwaɺ̡, dʒəg bwrz, buland
boland / bârez buland, borz bârež
barez-
three hire sê dre sey se se sê hrē çi- θri-
village dewe gund, dê kəlai helk, kallag, dê deh deh, wis wiž dahyu- vîs-, dahyu-
want waştene xwestin/wîstin ɣuʂtəl/ɣuxtəl lotagh bexanen xâstan xwâstan


water owe aw obə âp ab âb/aw âb âb âpi avô-
when key kengê/key kəla ked
kay kay ka
čim-
wind va ba bɑd gwáth wâ bâd wâd

vâta-
wolf verg gur/gurg lewə, ʃarmuʂ/ʃarmux gurkh varg gorg gurg
varka- vehrka
woman ceniye jin/afret ʂədza/xədza jan zhənya zan zan žan
hâīrīšī-, nâirikâ-
year serre sal kɑl sâl
sâl sâl
θard ýâre, sarәd
yes / no ya / né erê (bale) (a) / na ho (wo) / na, ja ere / na
baleh (âre) / na hâ / ney hâ / ney yâ / nay, mâ yâ / noit, mâ
yesterday vizêri duh/dwênê parun zí direz diruz dêrûž

English Zazaki Kurdish Pashto Balochi Mazandarani Persian Middle Persian Parthian Old Persian Avestan
however, can a regular Kurdish speaker understand a Persian speaker and vise versa? probably not because of accent differences and because most of the words are different. Maybe if they talked really slowly they could understand a few words here and there, which is what the user said.

As you can see from the list i posted above, there are many similarities between Kurdish and Persian, just differences in pronunciation.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 26-Dec-2009 at 09:24
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Originally posted by Ince

Not similar? So why do I understand some of what a Persian says, even tho my Kurdish is not that great?, only big difference is the accent in which they pronounce some words differently.  

Words that are similar, their are many more then I listed. 

Her Kez?
Chande?
Chia?
Shireen?
Kune?
Zan/Dan?
Min/Man?
Ruz/Roz?
Zir/Zer?
Dar?
Dil?
Gul?

 
 
Sayeh shoma sangine shoudeh
 
it is persian. Do you understand it ? xD
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Originally posted by SonOfIran

Originally posted by Messopotamian

F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!

 
I hope you're be sarcastic. If not, you are a fool. Persian and Kurdish both fall under the same language branch, so how can they not be similar?
 
 
Language isnt similar. They says : " Kurds not are nation , They are Persian "
 
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Originally posted by Ince

Not similar? So why do I understand some of what a Persian says, even tho my Kurdish is not that great?, only big difference is the accent in which they pronounce some words differently.  

Words that are similar, their are many more then I listed. 

Her Kez?
Chande?
Chia?
Shireen?
Kune?
Zan/Dan?
Min/Man?
Ruz/Roz?
Zir/Zer?
Dar?
Dil?
Gul?

 
Her Kez? not her kez . "Her kes "
 
Chande? not Chande . " Chend "
 
Chia?  not chia           " Chi ye " ( What is )
 
Zan/Dan?               ( zanin,danin)
 
Min man      ( Min, Ez ;) )
 
Ruz-Roz ( Roj )
 
Zir zer ( zir )
 
Dil ( Dyl - Dil )
 
Kune ( Qun )
 
 
you not know kurdish :)
 
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Originally posted by Messopotamian

F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!

 
I hope you're be sarcastic. If not, you are a fool. Persian and Kurdish both fall under the same language branch, so how can they not be similar?
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Not similar? So why do I understand some of what a Persian says, even tho my Kurdish is not that great?, only big difference is the accent in which they pronounce some words differently.  

Words that are similar, their are many more then I listed. 

Her Kez?
Chande?
Chia?
Shireen?
Kune?
Zan/Dan?
Min/Man?
Ruz/Roz?
Zir/Zer?
Dar?
Dil?
Gul?



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F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!
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I am Kurd from Turkey and my kurdish is not that good and understand maybe 70%.  So anway when a Persian speaks in Farsi I can understand 30-50% of the words they say.  Only problem is some persians speak in a accent that is difficult to understand.  But when ahmadinejad speaks it sounds like his speak Kurdish and I can understand a lot of words.

Just look at this chart of the Iranian langues, I read somewhere else that Farsi was over 50% similar to Kurdish.  Going by the chart I think it is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages#Comparison_table
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Yesh ^^ Soon you'll give me scientific sources that prove the ancient Greeks and Egyptians were partly Turkish too. The Latin-Americans also have some Turkic blood, maybe you should annex their lands too. Aye ? Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2009 at 23:35
Originally posted by Azadi

Sarmatians were of ancient Iranian origin, you nor your manipulative leaders can change that. 

This is, sadly for you, proven. Be happy with the history your people already re-wrote, and get on with your life.


Have a nice day!



Yo say bla ,bla and bla; but ı show scientific sources here. And ı already answered your pointless idea.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27833
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Sarmatians were of ancient Iranian origin, you nor your manipulative leaders can change that. 

This is, sadly for you, proven. Be happy with the history your people already re-wrote, and get on with your life.


Have a nice day!

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Originally posted by Messopotamian

It's same as Dead of Wolves ( Bozkurtlarin olumu ) not Scientifiti ( anyway:D ) book !



Thanks for the info. Wink


Scytho-Sarmatian ethnic roots of Türks ;

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27833




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It's same as Dead of Wolves ( Bozkurtlarin olumu ) not Scientifiti ( anyway:D ) book !

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Originally posted by Messopotamian

Descendents of BedirKhan tribe, Writer Edip Bedirxan writed  Median history in :
 
Kurmanji: BAZE MÊD FERWERTISH , Turkish : Med Kartali Fervertish , English Eagle of Medes Phraortes
 
Medean Rebel King  "Phraortes"



Big smile Big smile i thinks cycrus will find this book very scientific.
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Descendents of BedirKhan tribe, Writer Edip Bedirxan writed  Median history in :
 
Kurmanji: BAZE MÊD FERWERTISH , Turkish : Med Kartali Fervertish , English Eagle of Medes Phraortes
 
Medean Rebel King  "Phraortes"
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in Cigerxwîn's poem,Shiwan Perwer's song:
 
Kine Em ( Who are We )
 
Em in ew Kardox Xaldêwê kevnar,
Em in ew Mîtan, Nayrî û Sobar.
Em in ew Lolo,
Kardox û Kudî,
Em in Mad û Goş,
Horî û Gudî.
Em in Kurmanc û Kelhor, Lor û Gor,
Em in, em Kurd in li jêr û li jor
We are Karduchians,Khaldis
We are Mittanis , Nayris, Subarians,
We are Lolos,Karducians , Kutians
Wea re Medes and Goshians
Hurrians and Guttians
 
We are Kurmanji , Kelhorians , Lurians û Goranians ( Today's tribes)
We are Kurd North and South
 
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For Medes ,
 

Medean Tribes in Kurmanji.

 
 
 Busae, the Paretaceni, the Struchates, the Arizanti, the Budii and The Magi
 
in English
 
 
 
From Wikipedia:
 
One other theory is that the term Kurmanji is believed by some scholars to mean Median Kurd.[1]
 
 

 The Magi Theory

Other scholars dismiss the above theories as false. These scholars claim the term Kurmanji originates from the two distinct words, kur (“boy” or “child”) and magi. Magi refers to one of the ancient tribes of the Median Empire whose priests are referenced in the Bible and are commonly known as the Three Wise Men from Medya.[2] The direct translation applied to the term Kurên Magî is “Children of Magi”. Scholars say that Manji is simply a distorted form of the original term. These scholars also claim that the Magi tribe, or followers of the priests that were referred to as “Magi of the people”, may have been the original speakers of Proto-Kurdish.[3] Indeed pre-modern documents write the name Kurmanj as Kurmaj; For instance Masture Ardalan writes: ... the third group of Kurmaj are Baban... Also there is a desire in Kurdish to add a n before j. (ex. Iranian taj in Kurdish becomes tanj.and " n" in some words is optional eg. "mi" English" i" can be spoken "min"). But probably it has more than one meaning as it is seen above since all these meanings fully related to each other and as many important names and countless words in Kurmanci/Kurdish has more than one meaning.Thus the name/word Kurmanc and Kurmanci has e few meanings

 

From : http://www.ldolphin.org/magi.html

 

The ancient Magi were a hereditary priesthood of the Medes (known today as the Kurds) credited with profound and extraordinary religious knowledge. After some Magi, who had been attached to the Median court, proved to be expert in the interpretation of dreams, Darius the Great established them over the state religion of Persia. (2) (Contrary to popular belief, the Magi were not originally followers of Zoroaster. (3) That all came later.)



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Iskit, not trying to offend you , but The point was not to argue about where Sythians and Turks came from.

There are tens of topic just in this forum covering that just search for them . The point was to show the general logic of thinking and what could have caused that.

This thread has picture of today’s central Asian Turks

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3007&PN=1

and you insist that they are the same ethnicity as people living in Istanbul . The only thing they have in common with Anatolian Turks is that they speak a Turkic based language but at the same time like to deny historical evidence because the language argument is not sufficient,

If you think today’s linguistics connections points to something the ancient connections are ten times more valid because people lived more sparsely and were isolated from each other.

Based on what you are saying it seem that Turkish government has created its own ultra nationalistic version of history and bombards the kids with that. Now the kids have grown up and try to fit realty that the rest of world believes in into what hey have been told rather than the other way around.

First Kurds didn’t exist and now other Iranians and Indian need to disappear from history. The danger is not toward you is toward the Kurdish kid that has to deny his/her identity just to fit the stories you have told all your life

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ok. but ı want to say  last thing at this topic about scytians;  Real historians dont find new things. They are ameliorating the history knited by lies, fiction and  racism. They are showing the people what truht is. Not manipulating the people like made by İe historians.
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