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Moustafa Pasha
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Topic: The Arab Contribution To Civilization Posted: 28-Sep-2009 at 06:05 |
http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/History%20of%20Thinking/MedievalAndRenaissance/Arab.html
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 at 12:03 |
I think "The Muslim Contribution To Civilization" could be at least a better title, however that great Persian mathematician who has been mentioned in that aricle, was not even a muslim:
Regarding al-Khwārizmī's religion, Toomer writes:
Another epithet given to him by al-Tabarī, "al-Majūsī," would seem to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion.
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balochii
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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 at 12:44 |
agreed, orginal arabs from saudi arabia didn't have any thing to contribute, it was Iraqis, persians, central asian, Egyptians, North Africans etc... who contributed, just because they spoke arabic they were labled as arabs
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Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 16:43 |
Agreed, also! It seems the religious fever of Muhammad and the beautiful Arabic language, as well as the proscription that all men read or at least speak Arabic, made a great change in the world. Of course a nation confined to a penisula made up of mostly desert, could not produce enough people to totally replace the original inhabitants of all the nations that were conquered not by man but by "the Word!"
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Posted: 07-Oct-2009 at 08:45 |
Regarding al-Khwārizmī's religion, Toomer writes:
Another epithet given to him by al-Tabarī, "al-Majūsī," would seem
to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion.
LoL. Nothing more the this sentence. İts more possible they are tengriist
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Posted: 24-Oct-2009 at 03:46 |
This topic makes me LOL!
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Posted: 24-Oct-2009 at 15:47 |
As it is mentioned in the article, Religion was the triggering instrument for scientific and technological advancement at the time. When we turn back to the current time, the same instrument stands for the degradation of a once-glorious nation. You can easily discern the volatile aspects of religion. Religion is obviously a dangerous form of belief. It might either fire up the generous spirit of a fortitude army or turn you into a pathetic devotee who is disdained by the others.
I think it pretty much depends on the way it is interpretted. If someone aims at manipulating the fundamentals in people's mind through religious doctrines, Religion becomes a poisonous tool occupying every lobe of your brain and makes it useless. It just enslaves you to the malicious overlords, nothing else. This thread is the bright side of the glass, though. We can stumble upon several achievements of Arabs in positive sciences and art. That's all about it.
This is the main law of the order set up in our blue planet. Whatever
you do to prevent/slow down the process of gradually regressing into the
unfortunate backwardness is null. All nations are destined to succumb to their ruthless end. If you conduct a thorough research to mark up the mighty empires throughout the history, you'll also see the miserable decline/collapse of the empire at the same length as it thrives.
However the Arab contribution to civilization cannot be ignored, the Arab harrassment to advancement in the 21st century cannot be neglected either. Arabs should diminish the influence of religion over their daily lives. They shall find out a new incentive power other than religion in order to hash things out.
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Moustafa Pasha
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Posted: 17-Dec-2009 at 15:09 |
Muslim contributions to civilisation is visible in many fields of scien-
ce which were transferred to Europe and thus triggering the Renaissace.
For more details please click on the website below:
http//muslim-canada.org/ch13hamid.html
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Posted: 24-Jul-2010 at 22:43 |
The destruction of Buddhism is Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India.
The near destruction of the Aramaic and Berber languages through forces Arabization
The legal codifying of slavery as a right
The principal of Never Ending War (Jihad)
More bones and ashes than humanity should have been made to suffer
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Posted: 24-Jul-2010 at 22:45 |
Originally posted by Moustafa Pasha
Muslim contributions to civilisation is visible in many fields of scien- ce which were transferred to Europe and thus triggering the Renaissace.
For more details please click on the website below:
http//muslim-canada.org/ch13hamid.html
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Yeah, that sounds like an impartial source.
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oops -- that's a real site and not neo-nazi. I was being satirical.
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Posted: 25-Jul-2010 at 05:51 |
Originally posted by Patryk
The near destruction of the Aramaic and Berber languages through forces Arabization
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Aramaic in particular would have been Arabized with or with out Islam. Languages decline for a variety of economic and social reasons. For example, did Buddhism lead to the Mandarization of the Manchu language, or are there other reasons for the decline?
Originally posted by Patryk
The destruction of Buddhism is Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India.
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Do you mean the modern destruction of Buddhist archaeological sites in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Or do you mean the historical conversion process? I believe the historical conversion process was voluntary. Even the destruction of Buddhist sites has not been systematic over the centuries.
Originally posted by Patryk
More bones and ashes than humanity should have been made to suffer |
In a historical context, the various forms of the Humanistic socio political ideaology known as "communism" has killed far more people, in a far shorter period of time than Islam has over centuries. Then factor in the secular ideaology of Nazism.
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Posted: 25-Jul-2010 at 17:51 |
As Cryptic wrote above; "In a historical context, the various forms of the Humanistic socio political ideaology known as "communism" has killed far more people, in a far shorter period of time than Islam has over centuries. Then factor in the secular ideaology of Nazism."
Gee, Minor Simba, it seems that the "secular" Nazi's, were even more determined to kill than others!
Perhaps everyone needs to read "secularism?"
http://www.answers.com/topic/secularism
Or can I be, incorrect?
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Posted: 25-Jul-2010 at 19:44 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Perhaps everyone needs to read "secularism?"
http://www.answers.com/topic/secularism
Or can I be, incorrect?
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I think you are correct. religous systems, even when abused (Islamic fundamentalism, Inquisition) still operate by a rule book. Secular tyrants have no rules, they themselves determine what is truth. As Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot demosntrate, making up "truth" as you go along kills millions.
A properly maintained, recognized and valued Christian heritage will protect our society from the Islamic fundamentalists and will save our society from the far more deadly secular tyrants.
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Posted: 27-Jul-2010 at 18:18 |
Originally posted by Cryptic
Originally posted by Patryk
The near destruction of the Aramaic and Berber languages through forces Arabization
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Aramaic in particular would have been Arabized with or with out Islam. Languages decline for a variety of economic and social reasons. For example, did Buddhism lead to the Mandarization of the Manchu language, or are there other reasons for the decline?
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I don't see any reason why the Berber and Aramaic/Syriac should have declined. Syriac had a rich literary tradition up until the Arab invasion. To the contrary, the trend in languages BEFORE AD 1492 was for an increase in the number of languages. Latin and Greek never displaced other European languanges in the middle ages, and Mandarin only began displacing local languages in China in the last couple centuries. Islam's insistence on Arabic as a liturgical language and the Arabs' tribalism usually kept local Syriacs and Berbers out of the power structure. Forced Arabization is also currently going on in the southern and Western Sudan.
Originally posted by Patryk
The destruction of Buddhism is Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India.
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Do you mean the modern destruction of Buddhist archaeological sites in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Or do you mean the historical conversion process? I believe the historical conversion process was voluntary. Even the destruction of Buddhist sites has not been systematic over the centuries.
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I mean the invasion of the Arabs in AD 642 and in particular the rule of Mahmud al-Ghazni which was exceeding blood-thirsty. Islamic sources usually say the conversions were "voluntary" and even friendly however non-Islamic sources, like V.S. Naipaul and Ibn Warraq describe it in terms approaching genocide. The Parsi community of modern India fled these massacres and has a collective memory of them.
Originally posted by Patryk
More bones and ashes than humanity should have been made to suffer |
In a historical context, the various forms of the Humanistic socio political ideaology known as "communism" has killed far more people, in a far shorter period of time than Islam has over centuries. Then factor in the secular ideaology of Nazism.
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I would say that that is a function of population densities. Killing 20 million people in the 20th Century is a smaller portion of a humanity than killing 100,000 people in the early post-classical period. Afghanistan may have had only half a million people people in AD 640. The Islamic pattern (repeated with the Turks toward the Armenians recently) has been to put all males to the sword and take all women and girlds as cocubines. This has the effect of near perfect ethnic cleansing within a generation or two. This is also evidenced by Turkey's nearly totally exterminated Armenian population. I will cannot condemn the NAZI or Serbian Nationalist when Arab and Turk did the same before them, indeed, may have served as a template.
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Posted: 28-Jul-2010 at 07:56 |
Originally posted by Patryk
I would say that that is a function of population densities. Killing 20 million people in the 20th Century is a smaller portion of a humanity than killing 100,000 people in the early post-classical period. Afghanistan may have had only half a million people people in AD 640. The Islamic pattern (repeated with the Turks toward the Armenians recently) has been to put all males to the sword and take all women and girlds as cocubines. This has the effect of near perfect ethnic cleansing within a generation or two. This is also evidenced by Turkey's nearly totally exterminated Armenian population. I will cannot condemn the NAZI or Serbian Nationalist when Arab and Turk did the same before them, indeed, may have served as a template. |
The armenian genocide was indeed mentioned by Hitler as an example of little international resistance against "ethnical cleansing". But why dont we just condemn them all?
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Because to him they are all ok.
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I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time.
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Posted: 28-Jul-2010 at 16:04 |
Originally posted by Van_Möck
Originally posted by Patryk
I will cannot condemn the NAZI or Serbian Nationalist when Arab and Turk did the same before them, indeed, may have served as a template. |
The armenian genocide was indeed mentioned by Hitler as an example of little international resistance against "ethnical cleansing". But why dont we just condemn them all? |
I phrased that awkwardly. My apologies My intention was to say that ALL need to be equally condemned but the wording was a little strange. Milosevic's ethnic cleansing was just as vile as the Turkish and Arabic ethnic cleansing. There is, however, a portion of the population in the West that likes to over-look Muslim crimes in hopes that their house will be bombed last.
For another time: I believe there is a difference between Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing and it centers on the fate of women. The Turks and Muslims tended toward ethnic cleansing since they usually forced women and young girls (of child bearing age) into cocubinage. The NAZIs and to a lesser extent the Soviets, didn't care one iota about producing babies from a subject population.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2010 at 16:42 |
Originally posted by balochii
agreed, orginal arabs from saudi arabia didn't have any thing to contribute, it was Iraqis, persians, central asian, Egyptians, North Africans etc... who contributed, just because they spoke arabic they were labled as arabs |
And Byzantine period Greeks, Assyrians and also Indians
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