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    Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 21:01
This place was a little dead...so I decided to add a discussion

China has been saying that Ghengis Khan is a Chinese National Hero...What are your thoughts
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its wrong, no thoughts about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 23:04

The chinese must have a self-esteem problem if they consider someone who killed and subjugated them one of their heros. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 13:05

A lot of Chinese "heroes" have killed and subjugated Chinese people, so that's not really a criteria.

But when you consider that Genghis didn't really have much use for China or it's culture (beyond the wealth he extorted from it) it does seem kind of odd to consider him a Chinese hero. Khubilai Khan yes, but Genghis, no. 

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Chinggis Khan is my personal hero, but it is illogical for the Chinese to make him their hero, but the PRC likes to re write history for their own purposes, so I suppose it makes sense to claim this all powerfull large and near invincible empire for themselves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 06:20

Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon

This place was a little dead...so I decided to add a discussion

China has been saying that Ghengis Khan is a Chinese National Hero...What are your thoughts

           exactly which china have you heard saying that genghis khan is their national hero?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 13:43
Ummm the PRC....

What I don't get is how China can take a foreigner who conquered one of their dynastys and make him a national hero...doesn't make sense to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 14:22

Chinese nationalists are very funny indeed

My answer to the first question: no, surely he wasn't and isn't a Zhongguoren.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 14:32

Do they really think Genghis is a national hero?

Will Mexico make Cortes a hero now

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 15:06
I'm going to regret saying this...*prepares to be flamed...but about what I said in my previous post: What I don't get is how China can take a foreigner who conquered one of their dynastys and make him a national hero...doesn't make sense to me....I have a question...Take...let's say Kublai Khan...
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1.  He's a Mongol
2.  I think he defeated Han Chinese Dynasties to set up his own Yuan dynasty...

Question...Why do so many Chinese people consider him a Chinese hero.

I think it would be like Koreans saying that Emperor Hirohito is the great national hero of Korea...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 19:02

Or that Japanese general of Nanking become the hero of China because it defeated the outnumbering chinese.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 21:20
wow really?  A japanese Hero of China?...wow
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 23:27

"1.  He's a Mongol"

 

Irrelevant, is Napoleon not a french hero since he is not french?

 


"  I think he defeated Han Chinese Dynasties to set up his own Yuan dynasty..."

 

No he didn't set up any dynasty nor conquered any dynasty, he merely weakened them. The Yuan is set up by Kublai which was my major argument against putting Genghis as a legitimate chinese emperor of any sort. And certainly even if he was a chinese he doesn't qualify been a hero.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 23:38

Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon

I'm going to regret saying this...*prepares to be flamed...but about what I said in my previous post: What I don't get is how China can take a foreigner who conquered one of their dynastys and make him a national hero...doesn't make sense to me....I have a question...Take...let's say Kublai Khan...
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1.  He's a Mongol
2.  I think he defeated Han Chinese Dynasties to set up his own Yuan dynasty...

Question...Why do so many Chinese people consider him a Chinese hero.

I think it would be like Koreans saying that Emperor Hirohito is the great national hero of Korea...
 

The Chinese consider Khubilai a hero for a very simple reason--he made China the richest, most powerful country on earth for a time. And even though he wasn't Han Chinese, he embraced Chinese culture and governed according to Chinese principles,which means he wasn't all that much different than any other Chinese emperor.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 23:56
Right. We shouldnt' be too concerned about ethnicity because that's not how it is in history. All the "Norman" English heroes like William the Conqueror and Richard the Lionhearted were definately more French than anything.

It is true that many admired how the Yuan dynasty unified China, while before it was devided into Three empires. Chinggiz gets credit for the Yuan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 20:46

have u ask every chinese ppl that Ghengis Khan is a Chinese National Hero???

i dont think so...so dont say so sure about it.....i mean we r all different...ones idea of what hero should be doesnt apply to other ppl......u should change ur post to does some chinese ppl consider Ghengis Khan is a Chinese National Hero...and this is what u said:China has been saying that Ghengis Khan is a Chinese National Hero. u used china thats kinda too broad...

hero has no border-line it really depends on ur idea of what hero should be like....well he most done something good for china...i suppose.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 23:37
Whoa calm down there Toothlog...I'm just repeating what I heard from the CHina History forum...if you go there, there's a big thread on it.  WHen I said China, I wasn't talking about the good Chinese people, I was talking about the GOVT of the PRC...Not the Chinese people...who are great...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 12:52

Toothlog, please post according to the grammar rules, this is not a chatting place.

To everyone: it's not Ghenghis nor Genghis Khan, it's Chinggis Kha'an.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 14:18

If these are the criterias of being a chinese national hero...:

1. Ethnicaly being a non-Chinese

2. Launching several devastating invasions into China

3. Killing perhaps millions of Chinese lifes

... well yes, then I guess Chinggis is a Chinese national hero

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2004 at 11:10

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

Chinggiz gets credit for the Yuan.

in what way?

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