Black Nationalist ?

why are we allowing these people to steal history?, just today i had a argument with one person because he was claiming that arabs from arabia were blacks and prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was also black

^ ofcourse they lived there and i am not denying it, but they were mostly brought fom africa as slaves and workers(which was unfortunate ofcourse)

^ I am from saudi arabia and yes there are several tribes who live in arabia today that are from africa. They were brought here as slaves before islam, but when islam came it made many of those blacks slaves as equals to arabs and they became part of the arab islamic empire.  But that doesn't mean that the civilization was founded by blacks from africa ( this is what I am against) They claim so many things that are so absurd Genetics wise most arabs of saudi arabia have very little to do with sub saharan africa, Most saudis and gulf people are very similar to their neighbours to the north in the fertile cresent, syria, Iraq etc...

I don't know why some people think Africa = Black = Slave, it is really possible that ancient Elamites, one of the major powers of the Middle East in the ancient times, were black skinned, also some other peoples who lived in this region like the people whom Herodotus calls "Eastern Ethiopians" (Asiatic Ethiopians).

Not all people of African descent condone the stealing of other peoples  heritage such as radicals who claim the early caliphites of Islam,the Moors, and the Greeks were black. They are many "Black Africans" from the continent itself who ridicule  Blacks in the Western Hemisphere  that try to claim other heritages from other ethnic groups outside of the Africa. These Africans would ask are you not proud of your own heritage.

The main problem is that not enough research is being done in certain  archeological sites in Africa.Places like Tichitt Walata and Taganant cliffs who have some of the oldest adobe structures on the continent and are located in Maurenatania,Jenne Jeno in Mali,the kingdoms of Kerma in Sudan, and Yeha  in Ethiopia,and Adullis in Eritrea.

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/sites/africa/jennejeno.html

The Taganant CLiffs and Tichitt walatta cliffs or Maurentania have not been excavated or studied since the 1960's. Even the ancient kingdoms of Ta Neter(Eritrea and Somalia)  also called the land of Punt or the Land Of The Gods to the Egyptians have not been properly excavated to find  the true concrete evidence of the inhabitants and anclient lifestyles of thses past civilizations.

Now when it comes to the actual race of the Egyptians that is a different story. All that I will say is that  last dynasty of Egypt which was considered an official Egyptian Dynasty and not an Intermediate Dynasty  was the XXV Dynasty which was from Nubia.One of the last pharoahs called Taharqa was very prominent in Egyptian literature,but it is obvious that the Egyptians had mixed heritiage that of the Berbers and that of East Africans.

The only claim to a civilization that was on Non-African soil  and was located outside of Africa was Sumeria. Sumeria may of had a possibility of being orginated of people of African decent, they were called the black headed people. But they could have also been from India.I would like to know their true  origin and has there been any study of their linguistics.

The people of Arabia in places like Yemen can have alot  of affinities to the people of East AFrica. E-123 and E-M34 are located in Yemen and Oman and are also found in Eastern Africa also.Lets not falso include  the huge sub claude family of E-M78 which is found in East Africa and Felix Arabia.There is also theJ2-M172 that is shared among East Africans that are shared in Arabia and middle east.To say Sub Saharan Eastern AFricans have little relation with Arabians is untrue,although I agree this doesn't mean they built the civilizations of Asia and Elsewhere.

As Cyrus mentioned, the people of the Middle East may have had darker color and there may have been alot of admixture and inetrmarrying during the Ottoman Turk Occupation.That still doesn't mean they were black either.

To add to another reason why there has been alot of black nationalist groups arising is because they have gotten the support of the government. If you  look at the Moorish Science Temple of America they actually have some kind of agreement with the US government that I really don't have full knowledge of in full detail. The Black Israelite Nation would try to claim that the Jews such as Ashkenazi and the Sepharadic are false .But Wentworth Arthur Mathew has been able to establish synagouges of the Black Hebrew Israelites in Israel and has the backing of other Jewish groups who are not of black origin.So there ispeople to blame are on both sides.

Alot of these groups are mainly prominent in New York and North East Region of the United States and are birthed there. It just as the New Black Panther Party which have started in Harlem,have no relation to the original Black Panthers in Oakland. The New Panther Party has extreme views that are giving the original Panthers a bad name.


I myself do have heritage in the Indus Valley as I am part Indian, I have family memebers who are Italian or Mediterenean,some who are spanish I have some family links to Chinese,Portugese and all other like that doesn't give me the permission to take anyones heritage if its not African.As with Noble Drew Ali who may have been part Semitic and has chosen to do so. So I wouldn't take these black nationalist seriously.



Edited by AksumVanguard - 28-Jul-2009 at 20:11

I have come across a lot of these Afrocentrics on the web.  They claim everyone with dark skin as Black.  I've even seen some claim Ancient Persians were black, because of the curly hair in the reliefs in Iran, which is either a helmet or a style.