illegals

Originally posted by hugoestr Eaglecap, Thanks for sharing this story about potential security weaknesses with us. You must remember though: the problem that this story highlights is lousy background checks, not illegal aliens. You all should write letters to your congresspeople to request giving more funding to INS so that they can do their job correctly. You may also ask that Homeland Security should do something about this.

Thank you!
I actually do but sometimes I think that the politicians do not listen, they have their own agenda. I sent two emails to Bush, just one on illegal immigration. I was talking to a Democrat on campus today and we both agreed about disliking Bush but for different reasons.

Frankly, I would rather discuss history than politics but that takes too much time to really support an argument.

I wish there was a simple solution for the poor and the illegal immigration.

Some of the shows on coast to coast am can be negative about our future- you have to take them with a grain of salt.

Here is the source of that article:
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

Edited by eaglecap

who cares about Mexican President, he should stay out of how Americans want their boarders, and the real question He should be asking is WHY SO MANY people leave HIS country..

Originally posted by strategos who cares about Mexican President, he should stay out of how Americans want their boarders, and the real question He should be asking is WHY SO MANY people leave HIS country..

Strategos, clarify this ? are you greek or american ?
Let me remind you that next time you bash to turkish.
Fox and any other mexican president cares because of the large number of mexicans living in the USA. And before you do your bashing thing, let me remind you than 50,000 mexican born or mexican born descendent are elisted in the US Army, that during the WWII more than 375,000 up to 500,000 mexican descendent were fighting enlisted on the US Army. That many mexican fought on both sides during the Civil War, by saying this I'm bringing to discussion topics that you are not aware of. Why, because every time that you post something, you have nothing nice to say about any other country or people.

Again, I'm impatient to read an essay from you. A good article, at least a 2 lines post not bashing anyone. But you are uncapable to do such thing because your perjudices blinds you completely.

By saying this, I'm not stating any anti US or anti greek statement. I clarify this to defuse any attempt from you to open a controversy. I send this public, because your posts lower the IQ level on the discussions around. Have you think to visit the KKK forum ? I bet you are going to feel more comfortable around. Do not you see that you are not more than an inmigrant descendent born in a land that belonged and stole from someonelse ? Bashing illegal inmigration from whatever nationality is equal to spit to air.

...." Why the greeks leaves Hellas ?
They should remains there".....

It is a disgusting post. How does it taste ?

Go and get you a Yahoo account, there are zillions of morons, willing to participate on How post the dumbest, racist, red neck topic.



Edited by Jalisco Lancer

Originally posted by iskenderani Mr Lancer ... I think u r being unfair to Strategos... U see , all is about numbers. 10 millions Mexicans in USA , is 3% to 300 millions of Americans , or 5% to 200 millions of Anglo-Saxon Americans.... But in Greece , 1.500.000 Albanians , illegal imigrants , to the 10.000.000 Greeks ( with a declining rate of population , 0.9 children per woman ) , are 15% and they can form a minority , which in 10-15 years will demand certain rights....and it will be able to influemce even national elections.... ( as it happens in Germany with the 2.500.000 Turks voting there..) It is NOT the same... Do not forged , also the religion factor....All Mexicans are devoted Christians , Catholics , while the American majority is Christian and Protestants , but Christian all the way , while in Greece most Albanians are Muslims and either we like it or not the mixture is quite unstable from both sides...Muslims looking at the Cristians as "infidels" and the Christians reacting to that attitude. So , u see when Strategos talks like this , he is just thinking of our own problems. Isk.

I agree and even though I am only half Greek I have great concerns over that issue. Most are Albania but when I was last in Athens, in 2001, I saw many from W. Asian countries like Afghanistan or Iraq, mostly Muslims. I know about the territorial claims in Epirus by some Albanians and I see the illegals as a threat to the borders, language and culture of Greece. They should be deported but I blame most of the fault on (some) greedy Greek business men and not on the Albanians, on the most part they only want work.
I feel the same way about our borders but America is a big country so legal immigration from Mexico is good for both countries; illegal immigration is only good for Mexico. There are more and more illegals coming across our borders who are other nationalities such as Middle Eastern, Russian, Chinese etc etc.
Oil to pay for the cost of illegal immigration was actually Michael Savages idea but it won't happen. Mexico has a huge reserve of oil but they will not allow foreign investors to develop it.

Strategos, clarify this ? are you greek or american ?
Let me remind you that next time you bash to turkish.
Fox and any other mexican president cares because of the large number of mexicans living in the USA. And before you do your bashing thing, let me remind you than 50,000 mexican born or mexican born descendent are elisted in the US Army, that during the WWII more than 375,000 up to 500,000 mexican descendent were fighting enlisted on the US Army. That many mexican fought on both sides during the Civil War, by saying this I'm bringing to discussion topics that you are not aware of. Why, because every time that you post something, you have nothing nice to say about any other country or people.

Again, I'm impatient to read an essay from you. A good article, at least a 2 lines post not bashing anyone. But you are uncapable to do such thing because your perjudices blinds you completely.

By saying this, I'm not stating any anti US or anti greek statement. I clarify this to defuse any attempt from you to open a controversy. I send this public, because your posts lower the IQ level on the discussions around. Have you think to visit the KKK forum ? I bet you are going to feel more comfortable around. Do not you see that you are not more than an inmigrant descendent born in a land that belonged and stole from someonelse ? Bashing illegal inmigration from whatever nationality is equal to spit to air.

...." Why the greeks leaves Hellas ?
They should remains there".....

It is a disgusting post. How does it taste ?

Go and get you a Yahoo account, there are zillions of morons, willing to participate on How post the dumbest, racist, red neck topic.

The difference with that last statement, sir, is I was talkimng about Illegal Mexicans, and you talk about the Greek leaving Hellas. But I have not come across 1  illegal Greek inside the US, while there are millions of illegal Mexicans inside the US, so your "stab back" at me really makes 0  sense.

Now, you say you want me to write you a well formated essay or what not, but what exactly is your QUESTION, instead of you poking little jabs at me.

KKK forum? You are crazy! Me, as a Hellen, feels no great bond to  Anglo Saxons of the KKK. Maybe you should go visit some protests, and help the mayor of Mexico City not be barred from election, because Vicento Fox does not want to give up his post..

Prehaps you can answer more quickly, instead of taking a Week to make a comment, I know YOU must be quicker than that..

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The fact is that immigration levels today in Greece are way far higher than they were before and unfortunately it will keep this way if the greek gov. wont adopt the appropriate immigration policy.

I am also skeptical about the phenomenon of the last decade, whoever is against immigration, legal or not, to be called as "xenophobe", "racist"  and all these coloful names being used. Of course there are always people who support the correct ideas for wrong reasons but its doesnt mean the idea itself is wrong.

which in 10-15 years will demand certain rights....and it will be able to influemce even national elections....

Dont go so far. Think of the fact that in certain cities there have been concentrated illegal immigrants where they are now the majority and are terrorising the rest of the population with result forcing them to take their families and move to other provinces of Greece. I am thinking also the influence you are stating could be also for local elections....not just national.

 

Aeolus,

You are right about how we should avoid blanket statements about people who are opposed to immigration. What I described is the situation in the U.S.. I frankly don�t know enough about immigration in Europe to have an intelligent opinion about it.

Even in the U.S there are some people who are honestly worried about illegal immigration from an economic or legal perspective without being bigoted against the ethnic group that is immigrating. We are fortunate enough to have one of them in our midst, Eaglecap.

In the U.S., I have a strong suspicion that those who are bigoted hide behind the illegal immigration issue. I have come to this conclusion not because they are against illegal immigration but from the cultural criticisms that are targeted to Mexicans, not to illegal Mexican immigrant. Because it is not socially acceptable to talk against Mexicans, they talk about �illegal aliens� instead, wink, wink.

Also specific to the U.S. is how so many anti-illegal immigration proponents fail to see how dependent the economy is to illegal immigration. I do not expect them to give up their position because of this, but they have to take this fact into consideration when coming up with possible solutions for the problem. Any solution that ignores the economic dependency to black market labor is na�ve and impractical, and politically impossible.

Jalisco Lancer

I do not like to reopen topics that havn't been responded to for a long time, but I think if you are going to make a post and attack me, and I respond back, at least you would go and rerespond. I am not here to start a fight, but if your going to call me out, at least respond back to me.

Don't make comments, if you cannot back up a respond. That is quite childish, but then again, no surprize.