Sino-Japanese relations through history.

I must agree with red guard.  The Japanese students I meet have a very strong interest in Chinese and Chinese History.  It is a shame the interest is not the same with Chinese Americans over here.

I think some of the hatred against the Japanese stems Kozumi annual visit to that war shrine.  Relations was not good to begin with & his action just makes the situation worse.  Also, the government will not apologize for WWII and even try to marginalize incidents like the Rape of Nanjing stating that the casualitie numbers is inflated.  Again, I speak from my experience with Japanese students, they realize what the truth is and the Japanese Government position is not what they believe. 

On the same token.  There is a Korean girl I use to know and she stated "I hate Japanese people for what they did to us (Korea)!"  She was referring specifically to a Japanese friend (male) that I had.  I just like to state that attitude is just plain wrong.  One must seperate individuals & government policies.

Originally posted by Mperor I also have trouble understand why they have this paranoia of China bombing and invading Japan... It's hard to understand. They were the agressors in the first place!

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Originally posted by General_Zhaoyun You did notice that CCP's government likes to play around with the emotions of the chinese people, who are sometimes too ignorant to believe that they are true.

   I'm not member of the CCP, but i am sucked of your words that treat chinese people as stupid as you are.

Although in my family no one had suffered so much from the invasion of Japan.

   But I also hate the invasion for some special and individual reasons. 

   eg.  Japan airforce had dropped a bomb not explosed  in my high school's guarden in 1941,  only till recently my school had it digged out .Because of my curiosity ,once I had sneak into the locked garden and pissed in the man-made lake that lay the the bomb, what a f*c*, had i know this ,i would'nt do that.

Originally posted by Elanjie Originally posted by General_Zhaoyun You did notice that CCP's government likes to play around with the emotions of the chinese people, who are sometimes too ignorant to believe that they are true.    I'm not member of the CCP, but i am sucked of your words that treat chinese people as stupid as you are.

Can mod pls edit Elanjie's post? I believe that is personal insulting, flaming, slander and verbal attack.

I am not criticising mainland chinese people, heck, I'm a chinese myself. Neither am I anti-CCP. I'm just pointing out the historical root cause of why the anti-Japanese sentiment has been deeply rooted amongst chinese people. When examining history, we need to investigate the inside fact. We cannot deny the fact that chinese historical text did portray a negative image of Japanese. Japanese has been an 'historical' enemy of Chinese.

My girlfriend is from mainland China and she told me that when young, some of their classes involve watching 'war-time movie' of PLA fighting against the Japanese. After that, they were told to write reports and commentaries on such incidence. Such was to instilled Patriotism in the chinese people. But equally, the aim was also to re-inforce the idea that Japanese had committed atrocities in China.

However, many young chinese grew up not able to differentiate between patriotism and irrational nationalism. They think that 'boycotting' Japanese products is considered 'patriotism', not knowing that currently Honda car is made in China (Guangzhou), through a joint-venture between China and Japan. Sometimes, irrational nationalism was seen when anything associated with anti-Japanese was seen as 'patriotism'. Now, is hatred equal to patriotism?

Somehow, the Japanese war against China had already been 60 years. The Japanese atrocities committed in China was unprecedented and should be heavily criticised. Japanese should learn to recognise history and learn to apologise to chinese people.

But I feel that the mainland chinese people should also learn to be more civilized and be more moderated. Such will prevent chinese from becoming mobs and gangsters during their anti-Japanese riots.  I don't deny the chinese press had played an important role in stirring up anti-Japanese feelings among the chinese people. And thus, I do not blame these irrational chinese rioteers.

Historical grudge was created by the past generation and IMV, most japanese people are quite moderate today, apart from right-winged group  and we should not be so anti-Japanese, because of the atrocities commmitted by their ancestors. "Blaming on historical atrocities" and  "blaming it on Japanese people today" should be separated.


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Originally posted by YAFES pretty surprised there's noone japanese here

 

    No one  like to be target.   

      Yeah, it's only the Japanese gournment we should hate, not the people.

Originally posted by King Chulalongkorn I think that the Chinese people need to cool down..its not healthy for their image to be seen as protesting and agitated.

   Many chinese also have such thoughts and always being cool and peaceful, but when they walk onto the street, nobody force them, they just join the protesting and demostration.

   Acoording to someone's logic, we generation of mainland chinese grow up under the anti-japanese taught, that is why we hate japan. Basiclly, I don't think so, we could distinguish what the Japan government does and common japanese people. But we are also quite aware what the spirit nature and unique japanese cultureral influence  are, they are "dangerous" in some sense, easy to be inflamed to extreme. They once learned much from China, but they didn't learn to be honest and sincerely. Japanese are real hard-working under high pressure , I don't expect some of them have good health both with body and minds.

   It is not only about the remodify on school books whick would be only a trigger, but also their dirty works done to the Diaoyu island and taiwan issue.

     So, your country had never been real controlled by China as you say, but you are always having strong sensitive and easily to be angered in many areas ,sometimes in words.

     Do you think the image were more important than your country's intergrity and respect?

 

 

     Well, well, I lost my way, for discussion history not to be emotional.

  

Originally posted by YAFES pretty surprised there's noone japanese here

 

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