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    Posted: 17-Apr-2009 at 19:09
Is the feeling of belonging to one big "Malay race" strong? And are there any modern political movements arguing for "unification"?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Apr-2009 at 19:30
Indonesians? I think they are more aggressive version of malays. Aggressive in both meanings.. positive and negative... 
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More specific please. Smile
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  Quote Brainsucker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2009 at 11:56
Originally posted by Sarmat

Is the feeling of belonging to one big "Malay race" strong? And are there any modern political movements arguing for "unification"?
 
Nope. The feeling of belonging to one big Malay Race is not that strong. In fact, there are a lot of issues that prevent them to be "Unite" as one Malay Race. (Border dispute, Illegal Indonesian Workers in Malaysia, etc,etc)
 
I don't know how about Indonesia in Malaysia, but in Indonesia, Malaysia is not that popular in term of political today.


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Originally posted by Sarmat

More specific please. Smile


Aggressive...

Negative - They prefer to solve any discrepancies in their countries in showing it very clearly through riot and.. any kind of gathering... Malaysians??? once in a blue moon to start a riot or any illegal gathering.. too settle and more passive.. everything can be discussed. Big smile

Positive - Indonesians are known to have high patriotic spirit. Can see from any sport events.

Unity? between Indonesians and Malaysians?.. I don't think so.. that can be done. We do respect each other but to be under one big happy country.. no.. not possible. We are two different people underneath.. mentality and in political view...
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  Quote Brainsucker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2009 at 04:41
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Originally posted by Sarmat

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Aggressive...

Negative - They prefer to solve any discrepancies in their countries in showing it very clearly through riot and.. any kind of gathering... Malaysians??? once in a blue moon to start a riot or any illegal gathering.. too settle and more passive.. everything can be discussed. Big smile

Positive - Indonesians are known to have high patriotic spirit. Can see from any sport events.

Unity? between Indonesians and Malaysians?.. I don't think so.. that can be done. We do respect each other but to be under one big happy country.. no.. not possible. We are two different people underneath.. mentality and in political view...
 
That's because Indonesia has a very diverse Ethicity and Cultural Identities. there are javanese, Malay, Bugis, Ambonese, etc, etc, etc. Thats why it is difficult for them to unite as one country. but the most important things are that there are a lot of poor people here, with splited political ideologist among the people (Nationalist and Islam). To make the worst, They just even experience the political reformation after the fall of a dictactor in 1998. That's why there were a lot of riot in this country. But at least the current government can keep the people at bay. So the stability in Indonesia is better than the Thayland today.
 
About the High Patriotic Spirit in any sport event. Hmm, ha ha ha. Maybe it is one of their positive trait.
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2009 at 06:19
Stability in Malaysia is probably more due to the effective government system and national wealth set up by Mahathir, before him I'm not sure we can really say that Indonesia was poorer or more unstable than Malaysia.
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Same as Malaysians too.. various of ethnicities and identities.. If referring to Johor state.. it consists of Javanese, Bugis, Banjar and these all consider under Malays, rite? And some of the local Javanese can converse in Java language. Meanwhile, in Negeri Sembilan, there is Minangkabau similar to people in Pekan Baru, Sumatra. Even the dialect is totally the same.
In summary, South Malaysia is more influenced by Indonesian culturistics and the Northern Malaysian is more towards Thailand's cultures.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2009 at 06:25
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Stability in Malaysia is probably more due to the effective government system and national wealth set up by Mahathir, before him I'm not sure we can really say that Indonesia was poorer or more unstable than Malaysia.


I think Tun Mahathir is the most popular PM or we can say the only PM who is well known by others. Surely the PM before him were excellent too.. No doubt.Wink
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  Quote pebbles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2009 at 08:42
Originally posted by cahaya

 
 

In summary, South Malaysia is more influenced by Indonesian culturistics and the Northern Malaysian is more towards Thailand's cultures.
 
 

 
 
Yes ... this is accurate !
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Apr-2009 at 16:41
Can we say.. East Malaysia.. influence by Indonesian and Philippines?.. As for Sabahan their dialect is more towards Tagalog intonation. But I am not very sure about Kalimantan accent.. never heard one.
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  Quote calvo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2009 at 10:06
Do all Malays speak the same language that is mutually intelligible?
I just learned that Indonesia is the most populous Islamic nation in the world. Is the Islam practiced in S.E. Asia liberal and secular, or is it more traditional?
I'm refering to daily customs, sexual codes, and women's status etc.

Do Indonesians and Malaysians view Filipinos as "one of their ethnicity", or as something totally foreign?
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  Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2009 at 14:50
Originally posted by calvo

Do all Malays speak the same language that is mutually intelligible?
 
Yes. If we talk about Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia. It's almost the same. Though in Indonesia there are a lot different languages that could be difficult for mutual understanding.

Originally posted by calvo

I just learned that Indonesia is the most populous Islamic nation in the world. Is the Islam practiced in S.E. Asia liberal and secular, or is it more traditional?
I'm refering to daily customs, sexual codes, and women's status etc.
 
Largely yes, Islam in Indonesia is very secular, but some provinces of Indonesia are very conservative, like Aceh were people live very "traditional" Islamic way of life including  following of Shariah courts.

Originally posted by calvo

Do Indonesians and Malaysians view Filipinos as "one of their ethnicity", or as something totally foreign?
 
I would say they view them as related people, but not complitely of their own ethncitiy.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 18:45
Agree with Sarmat. As some Indonesians Muslim they do practice different religion marriages where in Malaysia, based on our country's law.. a Muslim can not get married with non muslim unless converted to Islam.
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The only thing they got in common is the language, which is not their original ethnic language but a form of lingua fraca.
 
Historically, they never identified themselves as people of common heritage, not even within the current geography of Indonesia.
 
Better luck perhaps with USA merging with Canada.
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  Quote Shield-of-Dardania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2010 at 04:37
Malaysia and Indonesia used to both be part of the sprawling empire of Srivijaya, which was centred, most of the time, in Palembang, on the island of Sumatra. Srivijaya, which lasted from 683 AD to 1288 AD, was said to be ruled by kings and court royalty of Malay ethnicity, which was likely an elite, immigrant military-economic seafaring aristocracy. The most numerous of the Indonesians being the Javanese. The Malay language thus first became adopted as the official lingua franca of the entire realm during that period.
 
Brunei and parts of the Philippines and Thailand were in that empire too.
 
Today Malays officially only form 3.5% of Indonesia's total population of 280 million. The rest of them either became assimilated into other more dominant communities, like the native Javanese, or just ... dissappeared into thin air?
 
What's still holding Indonesia and Malaysia together as two closely allied modern countries, besides their past shared history, is probably their common Islamic faith which is currently the dominant creed in both countries.
 
There ws a time once when some ultra-nationalist Indonesian politicians aggressively pursued 'pan-Srivijayan' unity (excuse the term, since Srivijaya is no more), which in theory would have created an enormous confederation combining Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei. But that eventually came to nought. Too many competing interests plus individual pride between the potential member states.
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