Finn origins

Originally posted by drgonzaga Originally posted by Sarmat Yes, but that doesn't mean that Finns should be happy with that. Should we raise this question with the Saami? After all, since 1917, Helsinki has not recalled its own travails prior to 1863.

I wouldn't say Finns are half Russians. Perhaps, it would be more correct to say "Russians are half Finns."

Sarmat observed in response to the below:

Half of the tribes which formed the Ancient principality of Novgorod (from which actually the meaningful recorded Russian history begins) were Finnish.

Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske   Originally posted by pebbles   just a random thought ...   Whatever very little " Mongoloid " admix in modern day Finns,I think it's a residue from many centuries past due to Finland's low population haven't thinned out the hereditary Asiatic bloodline by this time.It's just my opinion,not back up by any scientific studies.     That "mongoloid" thing is myth. I seriously doubt that there is any significant amount of East Asian heritage in Finland.

Originally posted by calvo I think chosing sexual partners has a large cultural element in it as well... Spanish women of this age group have more of a mental block of mating with foreigners; and if they do so, surprisingly, the prefered partners are North Africans or Middle Easterners.

This son of Peruvian parents will change those ladies' minds on foreigners when I travel to Spain for my study abroad program.

Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske [ That is indeed very interesting topic. Half of modern day Finland was part of Novgorod, thing people usually forget. We shall continue in the other thread.

You referr to the pähkinäsaaren rauha.
I can't really support the idea that half of the modern Finland was part of the Novgorod.

-Because Karelians were allies with Novgorod, but this alliance did not include them as integral part of the Kingdom.(not to mention that Soviets stole the lands anyway, thus modern era Finland has no Karelia)
-North-Western parts also were not under Novgorodian rule.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn   I'm generally quite sceptical and antagonistic towards genetical studies, because they tend to attract nationalists and similar making ludicrous claims.

Villems:
"This leads us back to the age-old
problem of the ancient home of the Finno-Ugrians, which is almost as old and
indistinct as the question of the ancient home of the Indo-Europeans. The
classical view that the latter lies in Siberia has persisted for over a century.
And indeed, among the Yakut the above-mentioned paternal line is more
numerous than among even the Estonians or Finns. It now appears, however,
that this circum-arctic paternal line more likely migrated from Eastern Europe
to Siberia than vice versa. In determining the original home of gene lines,
internal divergence is of greater importance than frequency of occurrence.
This parameter is, however, considerably higher among the Finno-Ugrians of
Europe. This leads to a very important generalisation: the extensive
overlapping of the paternal lines of Siberian Ugrians and Finno-Ugrians, to
which there is no parallel among maternal lines, is proof of an extensive
eastward flow of genes caused predominantly by men, presumably in the late
Upper Palaeolithic period. The Dnieper-Don refuge during the Ice Age, more
precisely the process of resettlement following the retreat of the glaciers,
would have been a natural source of this flow. The said process was
presumably connected with the movement of the main animals of prey
(during the time of the refuge mammoths and woolly rhinoceroses)
northwards and to Siberia. In any case, in contrast to our pan-European
(Western Eurasia-like) maternal lines, Estonians, Finns and most other
Northern European Finno-Ugrians have extensive connections with the
peoples of Siberia through their paternal lines, yet not with the main Mongol
tribes, which lack the corresponding paternal line."